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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and we have another

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great show for you this for you this

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evening we have Jane Kyle she's gonna be

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discussing UFOs in Texas and she has a

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website we're gonna be talking to her

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about that

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so she's been she's documented over a

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thousand local and worldwide UFO

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sightings since the beginning of Texas

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UFOs calm in 2012

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banan in a while so we'll be talking to

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her Alejandro Rojas will be coming up

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with UFO updates in just a moment so

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just a little little tiny bit of

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housekeeping it's nothing to fret about

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but we were hacked for a long time that

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he had something sneaking around on our

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server no worries about that it only

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affected me actually for people that

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subscribed subscription money was going

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to China so that and that's even when I

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had a site lock a really good scanning

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service on there they couldn't even find

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it well they finally discovered it last

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night

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got rid of it and blocked unfortunately

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we had to block China totally so that

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won't be happening again it doesn't

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affect anyone signing up for the show

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it's just that the subscription money

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was going to China it's no longer going

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there so I can pay the bills but we do

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have a lot of them and I do appreciate

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your support very much anyone can help

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out for 2 dollars or more a month all

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that informations on podcasts UFO comm

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if you can't help out you still want to

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listen to the full shows it's live every

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Wednesday at 8 to 10 p.m. Eastern

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Standard Time on podcast UFO calm or on

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YouTube you can also listen on the Dark

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Matter digital network and that's every

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Thursday at 10 to midnight and that's

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also Eastern Standard Time and that's

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enough from me Alejandro welcome to the

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Thank You Sara happy to be here yes hey

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you know what we had we had Arizona

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weather today I still have a snow bank

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in my really I have a snow bank but it

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hit 90 degrees here and wow I think it

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that record ice is so compact over the

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winter it probably did it did it mostly

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melt or yeah not completely there's

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still like a foot left in one area I

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posted on Facebook today but yeah it's

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it's very persistent it does not want to

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go it's kind of amazing huh 90 degree a

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day of 90 degrees cannot melt that yeah

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yeah but it's all the we have these

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things called black flies here and they

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just like they just cover you with bites

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you know right away and they instantly

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came out like there was nothing

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yesterday or even this morning but this

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afternoon all of a sudden BAM it's like

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they just cover you and we have to deal

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with that for like three months so I

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really mean a story okay let's take away

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that into his space story let's hear it

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so have you read about the white hole so

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there's black holes oh and a little bit

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more research on white holes has been

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done and made the news this week so

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essentially a white hole is the opposite

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of a black hole black hole sucks

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everything in and of course it's huge I

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guess something you know very small like

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even the size of a baseball can weigh as

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much as the moon when a black hole kind

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of implodes but a white hole and I guess

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it's somehow they've detected it before

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this it was theoretical is the other

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side of the black hole Wow and however

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it's extremely tiny nothing can go into

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it anything that moves near it bounces

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off and and just really weird it's

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mind-bending ultra universe stuff

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because they talk about how they don't

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know if like what goes through a back

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hole even comes back in our own universe

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it somehow could go into an alternate

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universe which I don't understand but

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pretty weird stuff now is there any

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chance that this may be a real

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laypersons quandary here is there any

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chance it could be antimatter I know

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they are totally different but it could

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be dark matter so you're kind of it's a

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two type of matter

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it matters so yeah really weird stuff so

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it is yeah it might account for for dark

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matter I guess wow that is really said

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no I'd never even heard I've never even

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heard of anything like that before yeah

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neither had I up until this week and

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there's a couple stories out there one

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on Syfy which is a little less layman

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than my description slightly not much

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more and then there's some more

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scientific papers out there on that so

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yeah something to check out great oh by

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the way get your background I just love

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your background it's and YouTube only

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it's of course not for the podcast

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listener I know they're always jealous I

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am totally which is good I wanted you to

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like it you know and speaking of China

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this took a couple weeks to get here

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because the coolest background I could

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find was in China and that's where this

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came from because I guess nobody's

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printing on the material like China does

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and so it does it is pretty cool but you

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had to get it from China it was took me

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a lot of searching to get I didn't want

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just a universe I wanted something

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cooler so on board this cool-looking

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spacecraft is is pretty nice yeah it's

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mm-hmm so are you gonna talk about what

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your last week's situation yes yeah sure

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definitely

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so yeah last week was really cool I got

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invited by 3m the company that makes all

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the tape and we did a lot of discovering

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other things they make actually a very

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cool company and I'm not just like I'm

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not someone who's into kind of the

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corporate world but my background my

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degree was in industrial psychology and

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it's about management and they have a

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really cool kind of cultural corporate

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culture there where they allow a lot of

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freedom but one of the cool things that

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they do is they also have these

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different programs they have a

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partnership with the Nobel Society Nobel

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media which essentially promotes the

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Nobel Prize and so there was a whole

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panel with Nobel Prize winners it was

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absolutely incredible and the next day

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they had a different event which was the

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launching of the

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science study that they did kind of the

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public perception of science this big

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study and they launched this and they

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had Scott Kelly there of course at the

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astronaut and I did get some details

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because we were talking about this so

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Scott Kelly is the American with who's

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had the most cumulative days and space

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but or no I'm sorry I'm that's

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completely wrong he's had the longest

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mission one mission in space which was

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his year-long program which was 340 days

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Peggy and I think it's Watson or whitson

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she's had the most cumulative however

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the Americans don't come close to the

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Russians the Russians actually broke a

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bunch of records especially with their

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their Mir Space Lab back in the 90s they

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had these huge numbers which is kind of

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crazy because I wrote a story it's even

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they're going to be coming out in den of

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geek or I'll be posting it at modern

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American dot news but this is a story

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about the physical effects because I

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interviewed him and you know like the

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night he came back a couple days later

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he woke up he stood up to go to the

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restroom because he was feeling awful

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his skin was burning like it was on fire

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he was feverish and his legs he looked

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you know felt like all the blood was

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going hit to his legs he got into the

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bathroom and he said he had alien Lakes

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they look like like huge and his

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girlfriend was kind of you know she runs

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in and to try to help him out and she's

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squeezing his legs and he says it

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smelled it sounds like a water balloon

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when she's squeezing her legs and she

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couldn't even feel his ankles so I mean

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it was a very difficult time but what

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was funny is he's a tough guy you know

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he's an ex-navy jet fighter pilot and I

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asked him you know would this be a

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problem let's say to someone go into

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Mars I mean think of that happening to

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you while you're on Mars hmm and he said

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now no big deal I could still function

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if I had to and complete tasks I don't

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know how he would do that but

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what long-term effects they don't even

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know what long long-term effect yeah

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that's that's still being examined

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because it does you know your phone does

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deteriorate but his point was Mars is

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only 200 days so it's a much less much

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less time and he said you know one of

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his other missions was 159 days he had

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practically no effect said very mild

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effects compared to the 340 day trip

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where he had much much more severe

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effect so he felt it was you know ace

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entropic like they gave went up you know

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greatly so that was interesting but he I

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also did ask him about UFO you did I did

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yes I had to and he's not into it okay

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which is kind of a bummer but you know

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you never know you gotta ask cuz

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sometimes these guys are into UFOs yeah

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and he was like you know I've seen

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strange stuff as a jet fighter pilot and

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as an astronaut but it typically turns

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out to be optical illusions you know

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when things are in the atmosphere they

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look really weird or especially flying a

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jet at night over the ocean and just

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imagine these experiences this guy's had

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I mean flying jets over the ocean and

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and being in space but he says you do

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see weird things but I haven't seen

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anything that I haven't been able to

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figure out and on the next podcast you

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know I'll segment this audio and we'll

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play it because I did record it of him

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playing it and are saying this but he

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did say that also that he's sure cuz he

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went straight to aliens and he's like I

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just don't think aliens are here why are

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people getting pictures are not getting

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pictures anymore that their cell phones

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and I didn't go into the details I only

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had a limited amount of time work so I

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didn't really debate it much but he said

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I'm pretty sure he said I'm not a

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hundred percent sure but I'm 99.99% sure

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aliens are not visiting us currently

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what is it did you happen to ask him

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what he thought about the the Pentagon

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situation well that's how I started to

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question actually the question was given

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that the Department of

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fence has come out and said they didn't

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take UFO seriously and they had

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investigated them whether he thought

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that was a viable area of study and

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that's how I began the question he

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immediately went into aliens and and

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then backtracked wouldn't and when I got

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more you know into UFOs but yeah so he

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just that was his answer to that

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question otherwise who asks it anyway

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yeah yeah it was good that I asked that

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mean you never know so he does say you

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know he does believe there's life out

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there of course he thinks that that

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there's got to be he's just not so sure

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given the distances that they're

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necessarily here visiting us but I did

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say well you know I think one of the

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things they're looking into is you know

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the technology perhaps this is for in

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technology and then he said or ours and

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he gave me a funny look and that was

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kind of there was a pause here where it

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was a natural ending to that

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conversation because I I did have other

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questions that were no you know I had to

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ask one for a friend of mine who was

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there rights for universe today and she

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had to leave early so but that was

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really funny yeah he he gave a funny

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look almost like he knows something but

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I'm sure he has a Navy pilot he is aware

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that of course we've got advanced

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technologies that were working on that

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no doubt you know historically when we

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come out with something new you know

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it's a mistaken for a UFO because it

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looks weird so no doubt that that's part

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of the phenomena yeah that that could

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have been one of those looks like that's

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classified

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don't go there buddy type of look or

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something like I don't know if he's just

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being cool and kind of like you know I

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know something or just kind of like hey

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did you ever think of this type of look

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I wasn't sure but he is funny because

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the two brothers I like to characterize

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him in my research like you know that

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the Mark Kelly who's married to Gabby

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Giffords he's kind of the nerd you know

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he is more straight-laced and of course

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Gabby Giffords being a politician she's

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kind of that political nerd you know

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whereas scott kelly is kind of like the

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rock star the x-jet fighter pilot and

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when you see him he's dressed really

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cool you know he's a really cool guy and

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he gives that air now he's a very nice

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guy and there's something about

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astronauts and and almost all NASA

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employees they have this kind of wisdom

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about them I think it's just because

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they're working on something you know

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that it's cutting edge for for Humanity

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that they kind of they take it very

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seriously and they take their

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responsibilities to the public very

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seriously and so you always get some

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amazing things for a mama yes yeah I've

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only interviewed one astronaut my entire

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life and and that was Alan bean he was a

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fourth person on the moon great guy but

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I introduced interviewed him about

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artwork my oh my god oh that's racing

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yeah cool but anyway he he talked about

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he puts he does if anyone can look up

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his artwork is very very beautiful he

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does all moon scenes you know people on

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the moon or himself on the moon yeah

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it's very very skilled artists and he

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says he actually puts moon dust in his

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paintings so ad and then really cool and

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then on one painting he had actually his

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footprints from his boots and I said

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they actually let you keep your boots

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that you used and he goes uh not exactly

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yeah otherwise I stole them I love it

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well there's controversy that has gone

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on behind the mementos that they keep

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and it's been kind of this you know

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unspoken thing that you did you could

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keep a few things but it kind of comes

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back to haunt them especially if they

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try to put something on eBay which Edgar

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Mitchell I think has tried to do and

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maybe some others and then it becomes

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more of a problem so uh one thing he did

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clear up though when I talked about he

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said there's no one out there that has a

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moon rock he said that all the time

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he'll have people say oh you know my

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aunt has the moon rock her husband

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worked at NASA and blah blah blah

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and he says nope they're not gonna have

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a moon rock those are those were just so

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well-guarded and safe and stowed away

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nobody there not

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loading he said any time you ever see it

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a moon rock for sale anyway anywhere

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just ignore it because it's not it's not

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real so well I don't know i I've heard

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you have a moon roll

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astronauts I don't have one I wish I did

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but astronauts who have been on the moon

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have have they've and I think Buzz

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Aldrin even talked about this where they

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have their little stashes of them where

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they kind of stash yeah supposedly so

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but I think it's the same kind of thing

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where it's not something they want

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people to really know it's kind of a

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behind-the-scenes thing but yeah in fact

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my first den of geek story was a

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partially what was based off an

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interview with Harrison Schmitt one of

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the last people to walk on the moon and

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so if you go to den of geek or if you go

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to my Twitter you'll be able to or

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Facebook you'll be able to find that

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story and that's just kind of its

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thoughts on this new space race but

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there is one more story I think it's

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really important before we move we'll do

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that story but I have to I have to be

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honest with the listening audience if I

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was on the moon

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I'd probably slide one of those little

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tiny rocks in my pocket I think exactly

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if you didn't go to the moon you're

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gonna want a memento and and from what I

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understand good if not all of them

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stashed something so at they're just

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very quiet about it yeah all right I

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just wanted to clear the air with that

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yeah

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all right you would do it I would meet

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you what's your so what's your important

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story let's hear that so this is

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Newsweek and it's just weird and I think

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frustrating but Newsweek picked up the

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story on MU fonts issues Oh with their

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Pennsylvania ex Pennsylvania state

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director John venturi who was also on

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their television show hangar 18 or was

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it hangar 1 hangar 3 something like that

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hangar something rather

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and yeah there's been a lot of

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controversy with some very hanger

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wonderful things that he said and and

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recently their new director of research

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Chris Cogswell have you interviewed him

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no you've got to have him on he is a

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party's great Mike yes people he is

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great I love this guy

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he's a PhD in chemistry but he also has

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a degree in I think it's philosophy I'm

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pretty sure is what it is and so you

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know he's just a really really cool guy

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super active has his own podcast called

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something like the mad scientist but he

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left because he was under the impression

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like so like really people were given

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that John Ventre was no longer with the

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organization and he was contacted by

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venturi who was still working on things

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such as the symposium and he was like

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wow I can't do this and you can read the

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story on Newsweek the story of course it

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it's terrible it's bad unfortunately I

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think that it was a very mishandled

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situation and and that's what Newsweek

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is pointing out but the fact that

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Newsweek is actually covering the

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politics or the background the dirty

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laundry of a UFO organization is pretty

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crazy and and I think it's actually a

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very positive thing of course this is

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reflects very poorly kind of

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highlighting the sexism and racism that

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is at least tolerated and when it

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shouldn't be in some cases but I think

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that it just shows that this topic has

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reached a level where it's mainstream

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enough that this this sort of thing can

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happen that Newsweek isn't going to bill

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they treated it like any other

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organization having some sort of issue

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like this idiot make fun of the topic at

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all they really just we're talking about

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the organization and the organizational

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issues and I thought that was the

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fascinating because I don't think this

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sort of I don't think that this topic

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where these organizations have been

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regarded in this manner since maybe the

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50s or 60s when

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we had an actual air force investigation

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and then we had organizations such as

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nightcap

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which were made up of military people

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who were kind of critical of the Air

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Force's secrecy in this area but we're

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you know very serious people as well and

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so yeah it's it's fascinating that

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Newsweek did this and I think it's a

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it's a very important story for this

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build yes I think it's amazing I mean I

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can't even believe they would they would

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actually cover something like that and

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and and yeah I think it was actually

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newsworthy you know exactly that the

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title was what if aliens met racists

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MUFON resignations highlight internal

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division in UFO sightings organization

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Wow Wow amazing Wow so is that it for

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this week yeah I think that's the big

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stuff a few other sightings and things

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but actually you know today I found like

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this has been today was one of the worst

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UFO news days ever usually you can find

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a few UFO stories and I did find a

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couple but there were actually fewer

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than ever about UFOs and or

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extraterrestrial life so yeah you're on

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course except for the tabloids which are

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coming up with goofball stuff all the

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time

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that's right you're on a list like I

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probably a.m. to where Google Google

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searches and all that up I mean

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automatic whatever they call them that

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comes in your mailbox

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whenever there's a UFO any UFO related

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story and some of them are just so far

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out there you know not even worth yeah

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they just have the catch the catch

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phrase the clickbait in there yeah I

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think the UK do some of these tabloid to

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feel like they've got to come up with

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something every day right and of course

510
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when you're scraping the bottom of the

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barrel you're gonna find some pretty

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weird stuff right exactly

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all right I'll talk to you next week

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Alejandro have a good one thank you

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alright talk to you next week thank you

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all right okay so our guest coming up

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she has a website as I mentioned Texas

518
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fos and she started that all the way

519
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back in 2012 we started this podcast in

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2011 she has let's say she's well we'll

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talk about her background I'm trying to

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read her her bio but it's better just to

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talk to her and how are you Jane welcome

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to the show

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are you unmuted okay yes

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hi thanks so much for joining us and

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Ryan Sprague I don't even know if you

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know this he gave me your name I said

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you know basically it was looking it

530
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seems like kind of a male-dominated

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field and I said you know I'd like to

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get more women on the show

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and I talked to a few people about that

534
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and he gave me your name and here you

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are you're you're agreeable to do it so

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yeah so first of all the UFO field what

537
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good what got you interested in that I'm

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very curious goes right well so I mean

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I've always been interested in the idea

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of aliens enjoyed watching ET and and

541
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:55,590
all of that but my husband's before I

542
00:24:03,320 --> 00:23:59,460
met him he growing up he was fascinated

543
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,330
with UFOs and really ufology and he

544
00:24:09,410 --> 00:24:06,120
would explore those parts of a library

545
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,420
that his peers weren't exploring and so

546
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,760
when we started dating he's really the

547
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:14,400
one that introduced me to all the

548
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,010
incredible cases that you and I now know

549
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:20,220
very well so he's definitely what

550
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,810
sparked that interest in me and then

551
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:27,120
when I started really just studying on

552
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:29,580
my on my own and discovering cases

553
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:32,970
really in 2011 when you guys got going

554
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:35,810
before I started Texas UFOs calm

555
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:38,370
exploring national cases like the

556
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,100
Jerusalem UFO if any of you might recall

557
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,980
that pretty infamous case if you will

558
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:46,140
and then I started finding that there

559
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,510
were UFO sightings happening in Texas

560
00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:49,760
and in

561
00:24:54,490 --> 00:24:51,740
my neighborhood and nearby and there

562
00:24:57,580 --> 00:24:54,500
wasn't mainstream news coverage for it

563
00:24:59,560 --> 00:24:57,590
so I had a journalism degree I knew how

564
00:25:03,070 --> 00:24:59,570
to do the reporting thing and I just

565
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:03,080
felt like that that fit me suited me to

566
00:25:09,370 --> 00:25:05,900
report on UFOs so if you actually like

567
00:25:13,870 --> 00:25:09,380
done some reporting for say local news

568
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:13,880
stations or anything like that or um so

569
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:18,170
I a journalism degree from UT Austin and

570
00:25:23,490 --> 00:25:21,170
and I was gonna be a reporter and I was

571
00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:23,500
you know gonna be that beat reporter I

572
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:30,230
ended up in an online marketing and yeah

573
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:34,010
a bit disappointing and so ended up

574
00:25:38,380 --> 00:25:36,290
wanting to really go back to what I was

575
00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:38,390
good at which is searching for the truth

576
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:41,920
and investigating it for people and

577
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:45,050
because the UFOs were a beat that nobody

578
00:25:51,670 --> 00:25:47,090
was really covering like I said it just

579
00:25:55,150 --> 00:25:51,680
felt very natural and so you're you're

580
00:25:59,650 --> 00:25:55,160
not far from Austin right no I'm in

581
00:26:01,900 --> 00:25:59,660
Central Texas and and Texas I I drove

582
00:26:05,410 --> 00:26:01,910
through the state and a few different

583
00:26:06,970 --> 00:26:05,420
times takes forever to go through it's a

584
00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:06,980
huge state it's a biggest state in the

585
00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:17,870
country right I would be the fake news

586
00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:20,360
here right but it's a big estate yeah

587
00:26:25,210 --> 00:26:23,720
yes it's huge it's gigantic I have not

588
00:26:29,770 --> 00:26:25,220
been everywhere in this state

589
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:29,780
not even close yeah yeah so I know of a

590
00:26:34,450 --> 00:26:32,600
lot of sightings over the years there's

591
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:34,460
a lot of famous sightings and I'm sure

592
00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:36,770
we'll be touching on some of those

593
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:40,030
Stephenville that's an interesting one

594
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,010
luboc going back I just mentioned that

595
00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:46,640
last week actually but I never really

596
00:26:51,130 --> 00:26:49,400
explored that one do you have do you

597
00:26:54,010 --> 00:26:51,140
have information on that particular

598
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:54,020
sighting the lover

599
00:27:00,760 --> 00:26:58,880
that's how you say yeah there are some

600
00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:00,770
German towns in Texas

601
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:02,150
sounds like it maybe you're saying it

602
00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:03,470
the proper way

603
00:27:11,470 --> 00:27:05,900
but so Lubbock Texas is a is in North

604
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Texas and Italy was 1951 or 1952 it was

605
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:13,730
called the Lubbock lights this v-shaped

606
00:27:19,659 --> 00:27:17,330
formation white glowing lights that was

607
00:27:22,779 --> 00:27:19,669
witnessed by many for pretty much a

608
00:27:26,590 --> 00:27:22,789
whole month over Lubbock ongoing

609
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,600
sightings somewhat similar to the

610
00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:28,880
Stephenville lights which you just

611
00:27:33,159 --> 00:27:30,740
mentioned which was much more recent and

612
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:33,169
even perhaps the Phoenix lights much

613
00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:36,650
more-- that so that that was quite a

614
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:38,360
fascinating case and what is interesting

615
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,130
is like I said that was 1951 or 1952 the

616
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,440
other year the early 50s in Louisville

617
00:27:50,770 --> 00:27:47,360
in Texas there was another really

618
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:50,780
amazing UFO case that also happened in

619
00:27:57,399 --> 00:27:53,510
North Texas so it seemed to be an active

620
00:28:01,210 --> 00:27:57,409
time Roswell was you know in around that

621
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,220
time this is active time in the country

622
00:28:06,659 --> 00:28:04,159
and in Texas yeah we have up on the

623
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:06,669
screen right now of the Lubbock lights

624
00:28:15,010 --> 00:28:12,159
image or images and a triangular form

625
00:28:19,539 --> 00:28:15,020
but double row of lights like a

626
00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:19,549
perfectly you know organized double row

627
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:22,549
of small and large lights really amazing

628
00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:24,380
I mean there's I remember seeing

629
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:26,929
pictures of this and this kind of goes

630
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:29,900
up all the way back you know where it

631
00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:33,350
comes up the topic of triangles often

632
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:36,350
meshes with what people say are their

633
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:38,990
secret military craft and I would find

634
00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:40,220
it hard pressed that they would have

635
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:42,200
something back and what year was this

636
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:46,250
was it 57 1951 or two in the fifties

637
00:28:52,779 --> 00:28:50,990
yeah quite a while back I don't think

638
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:52,789
that if they had something like this

639
00:28:59,770 --> 00:28:55,850
that it would be held secret that long I

640
00:29:03,399 --> 00:28:59,780
mean if it was military myself but the

641
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,409
rumor tr-3b craft that many people maybe

642
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:05,360
listening might be aware of believes

643
00:29:13,149 --> 00:29:09,770
that originated to the 80s so so yes so

644
00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:13,159
this would go much farther back I have

645
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:16,470
heard a lot of controversy about that

646
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:21,510
craft weather it it most likely has

647
00:29:27,409 --> 00:29:24,090
never been proven to exist and any type

648
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:27,419
of secret military I think actually the

649
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:29,940
government was questioned whether that

650
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:33,809
craft existed secretly and they said no

651
00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:36,090
you know but and of course our

652
00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:37,559
government would not lie to us in any

653
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:39,870
type of way right I wonder what Scott

654
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:43,890
Kelly would say about that would make

655
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:49,289
that face again mm-hmm so but there are

656
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:52,470
a lot of triangle sightings in Texas for

657
00:29:59,659 --> 00:29:57,570
some reason yes right yes so this is I

658
00:30:03,260 --> 00:29:59,669
mean we were just discussing the tr-3b

659
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,270
the triangle UFO phenomenon is I would

660
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,360
say it's a worldwide phenomenon

661
00:30:12,890 --> 00:30:08,159
happening across the u.s. but I've

662
00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:12,900
documented some specific waves UFO waves

663
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:15,900
if you will of these triangle crafts it

664
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:18,179
really seems like in the summer of 2014

665
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,419
they really got kicking here in Texas

666
00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:23,640
and that's when I really started to see

667
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:28,309
some very specific clear videos of these

668
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:31,230
triangle-shaped dark crafts essentially

669
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:35,370
hovering in midair yeah witnesses would

670
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:38,130
then describe them hovering still in

671
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,470
midair and then taking off into the

672
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:43,140
stratosphere at a speed that no known

673
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:46,679
craft should should be able to take off

674
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,820
at I've read reports of them the

675
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:53,520
triangle crafts wobbling as if they're

676
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,080
almost in distress or perhaps you know

677
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:00,299
if they were foreign crafts make you

678
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:02,370
wonder what are they doing what are they

679
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:04,890
doing in our skies so it's been quite a

680
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:08,100
persistent phenomena yes and like you

681
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:12,270
said worldwide I've had chase klutz key

682
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:13,710
on this show I don't know if you know

683
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,120
who she is but she has she told me you

684
00:31:23,899 --> 00:31:20,880
know years ago as a MUFON investigator

685
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:23,909
she was in Kentucky and this triangle

686
00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:27,240
came right over her and many other

687
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:29,430
witnesses

688
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:32,910
and it was just a really scary situation

689
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:34,980
all these different things started

690
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,320
happening at once she witnessed at all

691
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:39,360
she went there totally to debunk

692
00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:42,120
everything she just said this is just

693
00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:43,260
you know I'm gonna put this thing to

694
00:31:50,890 --> 00:31:46,590
rest and on and on and on and she ended

695
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:50,900
up witnessing this crazy crazy event so

696
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:56,490
and again no sound and just like

697
00:32:02,690 --> 00:31:59,700
floating over now I had someone I spoke

698
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:02,700
to the other day a former military pilot

699
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:05,010
was saying that back in the 70s and

700
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:10,350
early on they had like dirigibles that

701
00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:12,570
would just hover that could have been

702
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:13,560
triangular-shaped

703
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:17,100
that was for surveillance but I don't I

704
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,260
I don't know if I totally buy that and

705
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:21,240
especially something you mentioned just

706
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:23,070
a few minutes ago how the thing would

707
00:32:26,270 --> 00:32:24,630
shoot off at a high rate of speed

708
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:26,280
there's no way of dirigibles going to do

709
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:28,950
that yeah and there's even been triangle

710
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:31,500
crash described as being transparent

711
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:35,310
right or and so I definitely have not

712
00:32:41,030 --> 00:32:38,490
heard even existing even in the Pentagon

713
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:41,040
program you know that we're hearing from

714
00:32:45,410 --> 00:32:43,770
have not even heard of those craft yet

715
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:45,420
so I would find it hard to believe that

716
00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:48,210
we had transparent surveillance drones

717
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:52,350
way back when and if we did I just have

718
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:55,890
even more questions Yeah right I know

719
00:33:02,150 --> 00:32:58,020
like the Phoenix lights for instance

720
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:02,160
some of I saw a couple witnesses talk

721
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:04,860
about that and seeing where they could

722
00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:07,410
see like they could see through it and

723
00:33:11,770 --> 00:33:09,270
it would be like ripples like waves like

724
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:11,780
this kid described it it's like on a

725
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:14,700
highway and a hot day the rippling of

726
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,410
the air that comes up he said that's

727
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:18,360
what it looked like you know in between

728
00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:20,490
the lights when he looked up which is

729
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:23,550
well I'm gonna have to track down I

730
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:25,680
don't think I'd heard that testimony yet

731
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:27,810
that's fascinating that like reopens the

732
00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:29,550
whole case for me I would love to have

733
00:33:32,390 --> 00:33:31,830
an excuse to read about the Phoenix

734
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:32,400
lights again

735
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,200
yeah the Phoenix lights I think that's

736
00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:37,200
in James Fox movie out of the blue or I

737
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:39,030
know what I saw one of the other one of

738
00:33:44,859 --> 00:33:42,169
those two films and you hear Kurt

739
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:44,869
so talk about oh yes yeah he actually is

740
00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:47,210
a was a witness and he figured it out

741
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:49,580
late you know just I think last year

742
00:33:53,739 --> 00:33:50,690
you've just figured it out

743
00:33:55,139 --> 00:33:53,749
that that's what it was all about he was

744
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,149
on a TV show

745
00:34:00,369 --> 00:33:57,679
yeah well Goldie Hawn I guess was

746
00:34:03,849 --> 00:34:00,379
watching his wife was just watching TV

747
00:34:05,499 --> 00:34:03,859
and the Phoenix lights came on it was

748
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:05,509
like in each and Aliens episode or

749
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:09,770
something and then he remembered oh I

750
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:12,649
saw that and I think he actually

751
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:15,169
reported it at the time as a deal it

752
00:34:20,829 --> 00:34:17,899
yeah and so I thought it was interesting

753
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,839
that he would forget about a sighting

754
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,359
like that so shortly after seeing it and

755
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,040
reporting it yeah and then it would just

756
00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:27,679
all come back to him later on I thought

757
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:30,500
that was interesting just by itself I

758
00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:32,210
heard that he actually looked in his

759
00:34:37,539 --> 00:34:33,980
flight log just to double-check and it

760
00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:37,549
was there which you know and I don't

761
00:34:43,450 --> 00:34:41,149
want to say March 13th 1997 I think

762
00:34:48,099 --> 00:34:43,460
that's when it was but I I may have that

763
00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:48,109
a few days off on that date but so back

764
00:34:55,059 --> 00:34:51,950
to Texas cash Landrum I've told you

765
00:34:58,569 --> 00:34:55,069
before the show I had Colby Landrum on

766
00:35:01,960 --> 00:34:58,579
that that is a real fascinating case

767
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,970
that still has still has me thinking and

768
00:35:06,609 --> 00:35:04,400
a lot of people speculating on what that

769
00:35:10,299 --> 00:35:06,619
was have you actually looked into that

770
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:10,309
case personally yourself really just as

771
00:35:16,089 --> 00:35:12,230
a researcher like anybody I would love

772
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:16,099
to speak to Kobe so for those listening

773
00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:18,290
Kobe was the grandson that was in the

774
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:21,470
car at the time

775
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:23,450
at the time of the sighting so he would

776
00:35:28,839 --> 00:35:25,849
have been very young when he witnessed

777
00:35:30,569 --> 00:35:28,849
this I would love love to know more

778
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:30,579
about what you heard from him just

779
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:33,890
curious as anyone but just just from my

780
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:37,430
research of the case I think it's really

781
00:35:42,339 --> 00:35:39,230
important for us to look at it again

782
00:35:46,329 --> 00:35:42,349
right now in 2018 considering the

783
00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:46,339
pentagon story and late last year so for

784
00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:50,599
those who aren't aware Viki and Betty

785
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:52,940
cash and Vickie Landrum driving a car

786
00:36:00,190 --> 00:35:55,610
along spooky East Texas

787
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,200
and they see a craft hovering triangle

788
00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:02,960
like an upside-down triangle with the

789
00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:06,620
top cut off dark silent very ominous

790
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:09,620
craft I really don't know what I would

791
00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:11,030
do in their shoes if I would have just

792
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:13,550
kept on driving or done a little picture

793
00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:16,610
and made a post and driven away but they

794
00:36:21,610 --> 00:36:18,260
got out they got out of the car

795
00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:21,620
intense heat they were hit with heat

796
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:24,500
they felt it think they knew to get back

797
00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:27,650
into the car at that point a helicopter

798
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:30,830
swarmed the area correct me if I'm wrong

799
00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:34,880
in any in the of that retelling but the

800
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:36,680
most interesting I mean that's of course

801
00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:39,800
fascinating all by itself but it was the

802
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:41,660
aftermath of this sighting that was

803
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,570
really the most fascinating to me and

804
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:46,640
unfortunate for these witnesses as they

805
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:49,490
experienced radiation poisoning or

806
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:52,090
sickness symptoms of radiation sickness

807
00:36:58,450 --> 00:36:56,060
after this encounter hair loss nausea to

808
00:37:03,910 --> 00:36:58,460
different degrees and so it's actually -

809
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:03,920
they're photographed so there was some

810
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:06,050
actual evidence hard evidence of this

811
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:08,180
encounter and I don't think really

812
00:37:14,890 --> 00:37:10,820
anybody denied that it happened however

813
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:14,900
to pursue the the bills for these metal

814
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:17,150
you know these health problems they

815
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:20,270
actually sued the US government accusing

816
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:21,890
the government of having knowledge about

817
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:25,010
this craft and the government denied

818
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:27,080
that knowledge and thus it was dropped

819
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:29,450
so I think considering the Pentagon's

820
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:32,750
story in 2017 where the government is

821
00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:36,070
now acknowledging knowledge

822
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:38,900
acknowledging acknowledging that it

823
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:43,760
knows about UFOs should we revisit cases

824
00:37:49,330 --> 00:37:47,090
like that word now that we really have

825
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:49,340
evidence that they were denying it I

826
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:53,920
could have yeah I had a number of people

827
00:38:00,460 --> 00:37:56,900
contact me since I did that show one of

828
00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:00,470
them was someone that Kurt Collins was

829
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:03,230
following up with that actually saw

830
00:38:09,339 --> 00:38:07,760
claims he saw the exact same thing about

831
00:38:14,289 --> 00:38:09,349
20 miles away I believe

832
00:38:15,549 --> 00:38:14,299
he said I can ask her exactly and you

833
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:15,559
know the same date and everything but I

834
00:38:21,539 --> 00:38:18,529
think what's really a couple things

835
00:38:24,789 --> 00:38:21,549
about that it possibly was some type of

836
00:38:28,539 --> 00:38:24,799
military you know

837
00:38:32,009 --> 00:38:28,549
unidentified or you know secret project

838
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:32,019
that may have actually used nuclear

839
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,130
nuclear drive of some kind pardon me

840
00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:38,930
that is definitely a possibility I had a

841
00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:41,029
number of people contact me after I did

842
00:38:47,229 --> 00:38:43,220
that show and you know that claim that's

843
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:47,239
what it must have been but either way it

844
00:38:52,029 --> 00:38:50,390
was still a real curious case also the

845
00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:52,039
fact that they actually tore up the road

846
00:38:56,289 --> 00:38:54,229
in the next few days I don't know if he

847
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:56,299
ever heard that part right where this

848
00:39:02,920 --> 00:38:58,130
thing was hovering over the road I did I

849
00:39:04,569 --> 00:39:02,930
did actually yeah yeah I mean that there

850
00:39:07,989 --> 00:39:04,579
was some type of cover-up going on and

851
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:07,999
either I mean I believe some part of the

852
00:39:13,299 --> 00:39:10,640
government knew something whether it was

853
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:13,309
experimental or whether it was an actual

854
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:16,670
you know unexplained you know phenomena

855
00:39:19,959 --> 00:39:18,650
they knew something otherwise they

856
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:19,969
wouldn't have gone through all the great

857
00:39:23,769 --> 00:39:22,249
lengths they went to well I don't know

858
00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:23,779
if you noticed the timing of that

859
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:25,940
incident so this is December 1980 and

860
00:39:31,809 --> 00:39:29,150
the Rendlesham UFO case I believe

861
00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:31,819
happened the same month in the year yeah

862
00:39:36,549 --> 00:39:34,369
in the UK right so that that's some

863
00:39:39,729 --> 00:39:36,559
pretty I mean that's quite a coincidence

864
00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:39,739
of - I mean of there's many many amazing

865
00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:42,680
UFO cases are in record for sure there's

866
00:39:47,319 --> 00:39:44,660
an even smaller amount of cases that are

867
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:47,329
very thoroughly well documented and even

868
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:49,369
skeptics except this happening and

869
00:39:54,759 --> 00:39:51,890
Rendlesham and cash Landrum are way out

870
00:39:58,299 --> 00:39:54,769
there and I've been doing this a month

871
00:40:01,660 --> 00:39:58,309
than in year on totally different parts

872
00:40:06,009 --> 00:40:01,670
of the planet yeah I never put those two

873
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:06,019
together how about that yeah so there

874
00:40:12,099 --> 00:40:08,450
there are a lot of major known cases in

875
00:40:14,589 --> 00:40:12,109
Texas but let's hear about some of the

876
00:40:16,809 --> 00:40:14,599
interesting ones I know I think I saw

877
00:40:21,339 --> 00:40:16,819
that you you've researched like a

878
00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:21,349
thousand of them in total it's yeah that

879
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,100
would be over

880
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:26,000
and now so I've had the site since 2012

881
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:28,430
so part of that is just time you know

882
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:30,020
you and I know UFO sightings are

883
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:32,810
happening all the time really 24/7

884
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:35,270
they're not typically aliens they're

885
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,490
sometimes they're Chinese lanterns or

886
00:40:42,850 --> 00:40:39,920
military flares are things like that but

887
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:42,860
yes have been documenting steadily ever

888
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:44,870
since beginning the site and doing as

889
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:47,930
much as much investigation or research

890
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:50,840
that I can do to provide along the way

891
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:54,710
so there's yes there's activity all the

892
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:56,870
time just like there are in other parts

893
00:41:02,320 --> 00:40:58,850
of the country you mentioned how big

894
00:41:04,510 --> 00:41:02,330
Texas is that's a huge part of it it's a

895
00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:04,520
it's just a giant state there's a lot of

896
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:07,400
cities for UFOs to show up over and a

897
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:11,000
lot of people to take pictures and send

898
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:13,850
in reports so I'm pretty busy pretty

899
00:41:17,890 --> 00:41:16,070
busy keeping up with it all so do people

900
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:17,900
actually contact you when they have a

901
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:21,580
sighting in Texas it's a mix so I'll get

902
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:25,070
direct exclusive reports I have actually

903
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:27,470
some two really good witness interviews

904
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:29,180
right now that I have not posted yet and

905
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:33,890
I'm very excited to so I that it's me

906
00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:36,800
busy then I love MUFON I mean move funds

907
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:40,520
a wonderful database and right now when

908
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:42,530
somebody does see a UFO that's if

909
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:44,270
they're gonna go somewhere to report it

910
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:48,050
that's the most likely place so a ton of

911
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:50,510
Texas UFO reports and other amazing

912
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:53,300
cases do end up there and what's nice is

913
00:41:58,540 --> 00:41:56,030
I can go and look into a MUFON report or

914
00:42:00,400 --> 00:41:58,550
even talk to a great MUFON contact you

915
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:00,410
can bring it to the Texas community and

916
00:42:05,770 --> 00:42:02,510
I can see I can see where there are

917
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:05,780
other reports and an ad and help to

918
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:09,760
verify there's YouTube there's Twitter

919
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:12,050
that's the wonderful thing about the

920
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:14,510
internet right now is it their UFO

921
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:17,030
sightings being documented and reporting

922
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:20,210
and reported everywhere all the time so

923
00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:22,370
it's pretty endless you have to be

924
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:24,500
really careful though I have to say you

925
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:27,830
know on YouTube especially you know

926
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:30,530
there's so many I have someone actually

927
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,730
from Australia he listens to the show

928
00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:35,160
whose door

929
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:38,430
comenting the people that are frauding

930
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:41,960
UFO sightings and videos up on YouTube

931
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:44,910
very he said he's what is his name can I

932
00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:52,200
follow him I tell you what his his

933
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:54,270
website he told me website up the wrong

934
00:43:02,120 --> 00:42:59,160
computer here he told me that his he is

935
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:02,130
the most hated person in the UFO field

936
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:06,000
and it's he's has the out there channel

937
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:12,000
I'll put oh you do know him yeah we Paul

938
00:43:19,610 --> 00:43:15,240
that's great yeah Newseum he's in New

939
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:19,620
Zealand yet so I actually yes so I

940
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:22,230
follow along with him and I find him to

941
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:25,320
be extremely helpful so when I'm feeling

942
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,720
overwhelmed by the evidence or you know

943
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:29,700
trying to connect dots so yeah we touch

944
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:31,290
base a lot so I know exactly you're

945
00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:34,110
talking about and I think that's a much

946
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:36,080
needed it's strange

947
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:39,420
UFOs are real they need to be covered I

948
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:43,320
I strongly feel that summer some of them

949
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:46,410
could be alien however we really have to

950
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:50,310
cover the people covering the UFOs just

951
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:53,550
with just as much passion and time and

952
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,060
resources and energy because YouTube is

953
00:44:01,550 --> 00:43:59,280
I don't I don't think I totally

954
00:44:05,540 --> 00:44:01,560
understand how there's as many accounts

955
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:05,550
as there are that are posting would I

956
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:09,420
would gather CGI videos yeah that don't

957
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:14,130
have any context or time or date or

958
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:16,890
anything if it's it's bizarre well

959
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:18,930
unfortunately unfortunately has become a

960
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,490
business for a number of channels I hate

961
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,980
to say it you know he he may actually

962
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:28,020
come on my show for at least a short

963
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,760
time but there's some people making a

964
00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:35,280
lot of according to actually according

965
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:37,700
to Paul there's some people making

966
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:41,280
thousands of dollars a day on our

967
00:44:48,329 --> 00:44:45,870
YouTube channel and it's it's the fakery

968
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,700
unfortunately that's what gets the

969
00:44:56,249 --> 00:44:53,440
traffic that gets lots and lots of

970
00:44:58,799 --> 00:44:56,259
traffic and he'll go through and you

971
00:45:00,329 --> 00:44:58,809
know figure out these things and his his

972
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:00,339
channel gets very low traffic

973
00:45:07,499 --> 00:45:03,249
unfortunately it's it's it's too bad you

974
00:45:09,539 --> 00:45:07,509
know when the truth is explained that

975
00:45:12,229 --> 00:45:09,549
not as many people are interested in as

976
00:45:16,019 --> 00:45:12,239
they are seeing all these bizarre

977
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:16,029
sightings so anyway yeah that was a long

978
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:19,660
wait as much UFO sighting debunked

979
00:45:24,569 --> 00:45:22,180
doesn't quite make you wanna just I'll

980
00:45:26,849 --> 00:45:24,579
just not read that article yeah it's

981
00:45:30,569 --> 00:45:26,859
definitely a challenge and a struggle

982
00:45:33,809 --> 00:45:30,579
and I do hope YouTube says it's cleaning

983
00:45:37,799 --> 00:45:33,819
up spam but I haven't seen that happen

984
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:37,809
in the UFO world at all I have not seen

985
00:45:44,579 --> 00:45:41,160
any cleanup happening it's just a lot of

986
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:44,589
fake videos I guess with no context

987
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,170
whatsoever that just get pushed out with

988
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:49,119
these really crazy headlines and

989
00:45:54,059 --> 00:45:51,729
sometimes even will get published and

990
00:45:58,039 --> 00:45:54,069
linked to and really somewhat credible

991
00:46:00,900 --> 00:45:58,049
news outlets so that's not very helpful

992
00:46:03,989 --> 00:46:00,910
for what we're trying to do or the

993
00:46:07,739 --> 00:46:03,999
actual pursuit for truth when Fox News

994
00:46:10,529 --> 00:46:07,749
let's say is reporting on a very highly

995
00:46:12,299 --> 00:46:10,539
fake video when there's actual UFO

996
00:46:14,459 --> 00:46:12,309
sightings happening alongside that

997
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:14,469
they're not reporting on so it becomes

998
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,140
quite a problem yep that's true I

999
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:19,359
actually had I'm not gonna name names

1000
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,890
but I had someone that was involved

1001
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:25,599
excuse me involved with the government

1002
00:46:30,779 --> 00:46:28,930
at one time that that's a known person

1003
00:46:35,779 --> 00:46:30,789
that contacted me about a video that

1004
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:35,789
ended up being a secure team ten cgi

1005
00:46:44,099 --> 00:46:38,910
video it can fool anyone I mean they are

1006
00:46:46,979 --> 00:46:44,109
they are really they really mmm they're

1007
00:46:50,579 --> 00:46:46,989
really hard to tell apart unless you

1008
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:50,589
know what you're looking for and that's

1009
00:46:55,799 --> 00:46:52,450
the thing so that's one thing that's

1010
00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:55,809
helpful being the day-to-day a reporter

1011
00:47:00,760 --> 00:46:58,150
and fielding those reports here in Texas

1012
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,770
is if there's some amazing

1013
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:02,960
video just sweeping the web and

1014
00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:04,610
everybody's talking about it and it

1015
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:07,640
looks fantastic and it was the giant

1016
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:10,970
spaceship hovering over a city skyline

1017
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:14,630
and I didn't get a single email then

1018
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:17,330
that's a pretty good hint to me that

1019
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:19,790
there's something fishy going on with

1020
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:23,030
that so that that's you know just doing

1021
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:25,310
the due diligence to report the day to

1022
00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:27,980
day I hope that I can help people make

1023
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:31,550
sense of of all of these videos out

1024
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:34,790
there yeah just I won't belabor this any

1025
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:37,310
longer but just one one of the videos

1026
00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:41,930
was I think in Jesus I can remember it's

1027
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:44,900
a tropical island but that was the most

1028
00:47:51,130 --> 00:47:48,230
viewed and with CGI most viewed UFO

1029
00:47:54,070 --> 00:47:51,140
video of them all in the millions

1030
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:54,080
watch Star Wars like go see Avengers

1031
00:48:03,280 --> 00:47:59,170
like you don't like kind of low budget

1032
00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:03,290
you know CGI craft them you know a lot

1033
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:07,360
of people believe that the Hollywood and

1034
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:10,850
is showing us what's actually out there

1035
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:13,400
so I would just recommend people go to

1036
00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:14,930
Avengers go to Star Wars and just

1037
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:18,980
imagine those craft to be real and and

1038
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:21,020
then that's fine and then just leave

1039
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:23,450
those fake videos behind stop believing

1040
00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:26,690
them they still might be real that CGI

1041
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:29,300
video doesn't have to be though so I've

1042
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:32,810
had I've heard the argument from I want

1043
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:34,430
to say people more in the skeptic side

1044
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:36,470
that you know the reason people are

1045
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:38,990
seeing UFOs is because of you know Star

1046
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:41,720
Wars and you know Hollywood and all that

1047
00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:45,200
pop cult pop culture what are your

1048
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:46,790
thoughts about that or what would you

1049
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:50,810
say to someone that said that to you man

1050
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:53,290
I don't I don't know that I would really

1051
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,720
subscribe to that theory I definitely

1052
00:49:00,040 --> 00:48:58,640
think there's true truth to the

1053
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,050
government knowing things we don't know

1054
00:49:07,210 --> 00:49:03,440
and working with Hollywood in different

1055
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:07,220
ways to tell us things or not tell us

1056
00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:10,040
things but I don't know that they're

1057
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:13,400
causing us to to hallucinate

1058
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:15,290
I don't know that we see a Hollywood

1059
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:17,090
movie we walk out and we think we see an

1060
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:18,950
alien that we just watched on the screen

1061
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:20,270
I don't think that happens

1062
00:49:24,910 --> 00:49:22,790
I just think UFOs are real just plain

1063
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,920
and simple you don't even have to

1064
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:27,200
believe in aliens or extraterrestrial to

1065
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:28,610
know that there's they're real there's a

1066
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:30,850
lot of mystery even without

1067
00:49:39,220 --> 00:49:35,080
extraterrestrials Nikola Tesla and his

1068
00:49:41,970 --> 00:49:39,230
research with ball lightning and light

1069
00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:41,980
phenomenon like phenomena if you will

1070
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:46,670
there's a whole category of UFOs really

1071
00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:48,380
in that bucket that I wouldn't

1072
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:52,070
necessarily put into the green alien in

1073
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:54,560
a flying saucer bucket so I think this

1074
00:49:58,780 --> 00:49:56,420
the simplest shortest answer is just

1075
00:50:01,000 --> 00:49:58,790
that UFOs are real and they've probably

1076
00:50:04,330 --> 00:50:01,010
been different at different parts in our

1077
00:50:08,050 --> 00:50:04,340
history and we've been documenting it

1078
00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:08,060
right yeah so let's talk about some of

1079
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,060
the other cases in Texas

1080
00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:14,000
Stephenville that one in particular that

1081
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:16,460
was right by that went right near the

1082
00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:19,730
the bush ranch and everything right yeah

1083
00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:22,280
so I think that came out a little while

1084
00:50:29,830 --> 00:50:26,120
after the initial sighting in reports in

1085
00:50:32,110 --> 00:50:29,840
2008 so yes a symbol in the similar vein

1086
00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:32,120
of the Lubbock lights and the Phoenix

1087
00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:37,430
lights a large V triangle-shaped but

1088
00:50:42,670 --> 00:50:39,320
might have been almost too massive to

1089
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:42,680
tell the the shape of string of lights

1090
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:47,330
seen and apparently it was documented on

1091
00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:50,630
radar as well after the fact so this

1092
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:53,870
wasn't this wasn't geese flying or

1093
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:56,150
something like that

1094
00:51:02,770 --> 00:50:57,890
and it was apparently going toward

1095
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:02,780
George Bush's ranch I tried to I've

1096
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:04,610
always been interested in that story and

1097
00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:06,440
followed along with it and I haven't

1098
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:08,540
looked into it terribly recently but

1099
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:10,700
it's been increasingly difficult to find

1100
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:13,310
information on the Stephenville lights

1101
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:16,880
mmm so I'd be very curious but yes I

1102
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,070
think that Pentagon's story in December

1103
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:21,920
2017 really just changes everything and

1104
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:23,990
makes me want to just open up every

1105
00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:26,810
single case you know that keeps getting

1106
00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:27,740
closed and

1107
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:29,270
I think Stephenville lights is way up

1108
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:31,610
there with yet with Phoenix lights and

1109
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:35,560
maybe even Roswell as a case to remember

1110
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:39,530
yeah yeah and was that did that go on

1111
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:44,510
for for a while or I mean more than one

1112
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:47,360
day I think well I think that there was

1113
00:51:54,609 --> 00:51:52,430
one particular incident in 2008 and some

1114
00:51:57,820 --> 00:51:54,619
of your listeners might be savvy on this

1115
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:57,830
and me and can comment for you I think

1116
00:52:02,770 --> 00:51:59,330
there was a particular incident like the

1117
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:02,780
gorge the ranch incident however there

1118
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:04,790
were other sightings in the law around

1119
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,490
the time and I actually have continued

1120
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:10,160
to see and I have documented some

1121
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:11,960
sightings after that that were quite

1122
00:52:22,359 --> 00:52:18,910
similar of line of light that's pretty

1123
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:22,369
quite an archetype right you know we

1124
00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:24,110
almost can we can just imagine in our

1125
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:28,670
heads so yes I think that area appears

1126
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:31,700
to be potentially haunted with some

1127
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:37,240
activity for sure mm-hmm and what about

1128
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:41,450
in that particular case wasn't there

1129
00:52:49,330 --> 00:52:46,880
didn't military jets try to catch you no

1130
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:49,340
that was an f-18 Hornet or whatever it

1131
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:51,590
was didn't they go out trying to try to

1132
00:52:58,090 --> 00:52:55,490
see what it was and chase it yes I think

1133
00:53:00,940 --> 00:52:58,100
that's why believe it's where the radar

1134
00:53:03,070 --> 00:53:00,950
evidence came from because they were

1135
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:03,080
actually trying to pursue it and they

1136
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:06,130
were able to produce the radar

1137
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:09,050
documentation of the craft and I think

1138
00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:11,660
that came out after a little while

1139
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:15,080
afterward I say after the initial

1140
00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:18,800
debunking attempt my details might be

1141
00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:20,420
hazy on that one so I would definitely

1142
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:23,540
invite your audience to it to research

1143
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:25,490
that and actually anyways because like I

1144
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:27,770
had said there was a really great site

1145
00:53:32,170 --> 00:53:29,450
that was dedicated to the Stephenville

1146
00:53:36,099 --> 00:53:32,180
lights and I hadn't wasn't able to track

1147
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:36,109
it down in recent memory so I'd be

1148
00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:37,730
curious to see what people could find if

1149
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:40,100
there's been updates to the story since

1150
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:41,040
then

1151
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:44,640
and what would you say is that in Texas

1152
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:47,130
you mentioned earlier like a UFO wave

1153
00:53:58,099 --> 00:53:51,330
our flap or what would you consider like

1154
00:53:59,870 --> 00:53:58,109
the biggest flap or wave in Texas the

1155
00:54:02,480 --> 00:53:59,880
triangles you know just have been so

1156
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:02,490
persistent so that's kind of a logical

1157
00:54:10,099 --> 00:54:06,570
boring answer I guess just quantity

1158
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:10,109
right and and and had documented there

1159
00:54:17,540 --> 00:54:15,480
was a wet in 2014 in 2014 as also in

1160
00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:17,550
this triangle started I believe in

1161
00:54:26,859 --> 00:54:22,820
Houston there was a ring of lights a

1162
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:26,869
circular ring of lights that was seen in

1163
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:29,730
filmed and photographed and this

1164
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:33,180
circular ring lights it seemed to

1165
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,150
migrate and move about the state or

1166
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:39,119
there were more than one sets of these

1167
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:41,580
and that actually ended up making it

1168
00:54:46,550 --> 00:54:43,980
into some local media I feel that many

1169
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,560
reports it was such a persistent

1170
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:49,680
sighting that some people did report

1171
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:54,390
seeing street lamps yes at all you just

1172
00:54:59,180 --> 00:54:57,180
towers it just you know it's just

1173
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,190
inevitable it just got into the mix was

1174
00:55:03,590 --> 00:55:00,720
that really is what it looked like but

1175
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,600
we were I was able to confirm that a

1176
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:06,240
certain percentage of those photos were

1177
00:55:11,090 --> 00:55:08,040
not showing street lights since I know

1178
00:55:12,980 --> 00:55:11,100
Houston and I and I know the area here

1179
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:12,990
so that was a really strange blip

1180
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:14,730
because it just happened and then it

1181
00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:17,850
wasn't happening anymore and could never

1182
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:19,560
you know we just had the witness reports

1183
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:21,510
and and then that was it

1184
00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:26,280
it's just left so much to be desired do

1185
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:30,830
get we I do get waves of of gray aliens

1186
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:33,990
alien abduction reports and this

1187
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:36,930
similarly seem to come and in sets

1188
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:39,660
that's what brings some credibility to

1189
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:42,660
it it's not like it's like a whole month

1190
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:46,080
I'll just get just a few reports of

1191
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:50,000
people in the dreamlike state usually

1192
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:53,490
seeing or experiencing a gray alien

1193
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:54,090
entity

1194
00:56:00,830 --> 00:55:58,740
very cliche specific alien so that

1195
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:00,840
definitely does happen and that seems to

1196
00:56:06,110 --> 00:56:03,930
be like the triangle UFO wave there

1197
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,120
seems to be a pattern to that and the

1198
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:07,680
timing of that and when that is

1199
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:10,290
happening so that's of course that's

1200
00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:13,350
super fascinating Wow that is

1201
00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:14,430
interesting

1202
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,950
are you we didn't even talk about this

1203
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:19,440
but occasionally people like to call in

1204
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:20,850
and ask a question would you be willing

1205
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:22,920
to do that of course

1206
00:56:27,590 --> 00:56:25,650
okay so we'll have the number up on the

1207
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:27,600
screen anyone just look at the YouTube

1208
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:29,370
and you'll see the phone number up there

1209
00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:31,290
in Colin you're welcome to call in and

1210
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:35,430
ask our guests some some questions now I

1211
00:56:40,070 --> 00:56:37,500
think I heard you say earlier that

1212
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:40,080
you've not only looked into Texas UFOs

1213
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:44,610
you've looked into other UFOs so what do

1214
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:47,010
you what do you think what would you say

1215
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:49,500
is one of your favorite cases besides

1216
00:56:57,730 --> 00:56:53,760
the Texas cases how about that Pentagon

1217
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:01,550
there's so many and really as time goes

1218
00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:05,430
on the I keep layering on with learning

1219
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:07,950
more and more more but I think what

1220
00:57:13,310 --> 00:57:10,140
really continues to stand out to me

1221
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:13,320
after all these years it may not be as

1222
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:14,910
interesting to some people because I'm

1223
00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:17,930
not sure that origin of the alien is

1224
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:19,950
have you ever heard of the earthquake

1225
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:25,680
light phenomenon right yes so early on

1226
00:57:31,210 --> 00:57:28,350
before I really got Texas UFO sightings

1227
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:31,220
calm or Texas UFOs calm either work

1228
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:34,380
going I would watch these volcano

1229
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:38,970
webcams and I would see these lights

1230
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:42,180
these bright orbs of lights just

1231
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:44,730
hovering still over the volcanoes and

1232
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:46,530
then they would get sucked into the

1233
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:49,170
volcano and then they would come and it

1234
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:51,210
was just it was amazing it's just

1235
00:57:56,570 --> 00:57:54,630
real-time webcam videos and I had

1236
00:58:00,020 --> 00:57:56,580
learned to watch these because other

1237
00:58:00,890 --> 00:58:00,030
people had captured UFOs on these

1238
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:00,900
webcams

1239
00:58:06,110 --> 00:58:03,690
I don't live near any volcanoes here in

1240
00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:06,120
Texas I hope there's volcano doesn't

1241
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:07,310
make it my

1242
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:09,710
that would be some really freaky climate

1243
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,310
change so I have to Oh to watch through

1244
00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:15,920
a webcam but so that was sort of my

1245
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:18,140
weird sighting of that and then I ended

1246
00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:20,470
up researching much more in-depth

1247
00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:23,390
sightings like that which are not

1248
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:28,190
necessarily a triangle craft or a flying

1249
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:32,390
saucer but more like an almost organic

1250
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:36,290
orb that seems to be intelligent during

1251
00:58:43,210 --> 00:58:39,920
the March 2012 before maybe during and

1252
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:43,220
after the March 2011 earthquake and

1253
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:46,730
tsunami in Japan there were these

1254
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:50,960
strange white or orbs of light that

1255
00:58:56,590 --> 00:58:52,910
seemed to dance or hover around the

1256
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:56,600
disaster or even be a precursor to it so

1257
00:59:00,760 --> 00:58:58,610
I'm pretty fascinated with that I don't

1258
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:00,770
know if it might be related to weird

1259
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:02,690
just weird weather phenomenon

1260
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:05,710
it seems related to the ball lightning

1261
00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:09,170
phenomenon I have a geologist friend who

1262
00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:11,900
was interested in it he's not you know

1263
00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:14,060
into aliens and she gave me a similar

1264
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,120
look I think that Scott Kelly gave

1265
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:19,280
Alejandra where she just didn't it

1266
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:21,050
seemed like that was something you

1267
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:23,290
couldn't really necessarily talk about

1268
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:26,330
so that I guess that related to free

1269
00:59:32,410 --> 00:59:29,330
energy so that's that's that's pushed me

1270
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:32,420
probably more than many things many

1271
00:59:37,060 --> 00:59:34,490
cases yeah

1272
00:59:40,090 --> 00:59:37,070
you have always I've always thought well

1273
00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:40,100
that's gonna kind of segue me to the

1274
00:59:50,410 --> 00:59:47,000
Marfa lights oh yes mm-hmm Sally so that

1275
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:50,420
they people have suggested I've heard

1276
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,700
two different suggestions one that it's

1277
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,040
car lights off on a distance that's

1278
00:59:59,010 --> 00:59:56,960
reflecting or something like that and

1279
01:00:03,850 --> 00:59:59,020
two that it has something to do with a

1280
01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:03,860
natural phenomenon yeah so what are your

1281
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,400
thoughts on that so I think the lady can

1282
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:09,680
you two might just Hank we'll hang on to

1283
01:00:13,420 --> 01:00:11,330
that thought okay we'll go back to the

1284
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:13,430
Marfa lights but I do have a call coming

1285
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:15,170
in so

1286
01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:18,470
caller thanks for calling where you

1287
01:00:25,090 --> 01:00:21,140
calling from in your first name please

1288
01:00:30,010 --> 01:00:25,100
ah this is Jay Allen from San Diego hi

1289
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,020
hi Jay how are you oh you have a good

1290
01:00:35,620 --> 01:00:32,960
good yeah please turn your your computer

1291
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:35,630
down if you would got it yep I'll mute

1292
01:00:42,070 --> 01:00:37,250
it all right sounds good

1293
01:00:45,610 --> 01:00:42,080
and I don't want to hear myself and you

1294
01:00:47,110 --> 01:00:45,620
have a question for our guest oh yes I

1295
01:00:50,890 --> 01:00:47,120
want to say hi to everybody

1296
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:50,900
Jane I I grew up in Dallas I've been

1297
01:00:57,610 --> 01:00:53,050
there since I joined the military but

1298
01:01:01,960 --> 01:00:57,620
I'm glad you joined I wanted to sort of

1299
01:01:05,110 --> 01:01:01,970
mention something the CFDA could stir

1300
01:01:08,910 --> 01:01:05,120
the conversation a little bit I've been

1301
01:01:13,090 --> 01:01:08,920
in military programs for last 22 years

1302
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:13,100
secret programs and ever since I joined

1303
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:16,430
the military Air Force I worked on the

1304
01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:18,140
stealth program was the first job that I

1305
01:01:27,610 --> 01:01:23,590
have and I want to say that we see these

1306
01:01:31,420 --> 01:01:27,620
triangles and these these types of

1307
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:31,430
aircraft all over the world I think we

1308
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:33,140
can all agree on that we see these odd

1309
01:01:38,530 --> 01:01:35,930
shaped craft and they're recorded in

1310
01:01:41,470 --> 01:01:38,540
nearly every state and you know in

1311
01:01:45,010 --> 01:01:41,480
different countries and one thing that I

1312
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:45,020
thought was curious is that working on

1313
01:01:49,570 --> 01:01:46,850
the stealth program we only have a

1314
01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:49,580
couple of bases that we ever operated

1315
01:01:54,850 --> 01:01:52,070
out of we always operate it at nighttime

1316
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:54,860
we didn't want anybody to know what the

1317
01:02:00,490 --> 01:01:57,050
aircraft look like or what the

1318
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,500
capabilities were and I find it curious

1319
01:02:05,650 --> 01:02:02,720
that people claim that black triangles

1320
01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:05,660
might be military aircraft I'm not not

1321
01:02:12,010 --> 01:02:08,740
saying they're they aren't but

1322
01:02:14,050 --> 01:02:12,020
considering that they are if they were

1323
01:02:16,510 --> 01:02:14,060
military they're secret programs and why

1324
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:16,520
would they be prevalent and you know

1325
01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:20,630
just everywhere if you if you contrast

1326
01:02:25,330 --> 01:02:23,240
that with the stealth program which I

1327
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:25,340
have experienced and you know just a

1328
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:26,840
couple of bases that we operated out of

1329
01:02:31,180 --> 01:02:28,970
because we wanted to keep it secret we

1330
01:02:33,340 --> 01:02:31,190
wanted to keep it compartmentalized and

1331
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:33,350
you know you just didn't want it to get

1332
01:02:36,220 --> 01:02:34,910
out there where these you

1333
01:02:39,609 --> 01:02:36,230
these triangle aircraft are just

1334
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:39,619
everywhere and so I thought it was just

1335
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:44,750
make that simple point where I'm in the

1336
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,190
industry and I you know you you want to

1337
01:02:53,309 --> 01:02:51,200
have a skeptical argument I agree but I

1338
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:53,319
just don't buy that these things are

1339
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:55,609
military because they're they're spread

1340
01:02:59,920 --> 01:02:58,640
out so much you know we would we would

1341
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,930
know about it we would know a lot more

1342
01:03:04,059 --> 01:03:00,640
about it

1343
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:04,069
so anyways I'm enjoying the conversation

1344
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:06,160
and I just thought I'd I'd point it out

1345
01:03:11,799 --> 01:03:08,900
Thank You Jay I actually I really

1346
01:03:13,299 --> 01:03:11,809
appreciate that and we will we will

1347
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:13,309
continue the conversation on that a

1348
01:03:17,799 --> 01:03:14,809
little bit because I have something to

1349
01:03:19,210 --> 01:03:17,809
say about it thanks for calling in all

1350
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:19,220
right bye

1351
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:21,920
yeah Jane he makes a he makes a very

1352
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,890
very good point you know anything

1353
01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:27,200
secretive I'm sure wouldn't be all over

1354
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:31,460
the world and and you know everywhere as

1355
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:36,049
as these people are seeing yeah yes

1356
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:37,609
thank you so much for calling in and

1357
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:42,799
thanks for the Intel yes so I think that

1358
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:44,450
we can't you kind of keep in this

1359
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:46,670
circular argument or these this

1360
01:03:53,049 --> 01:03:50,089
questioning this deduction game where

1361
01:03:56,370 --> 01:03:53,059
it's like okay UFOs are real they're

1362
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:56,380
faster than known craft okay well is it

1363
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:00,799
military is it alien was it military is

1364
01:04:06,849 --> 01:04:03,230
that our military or somebody else's

1365
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:06,859
military and I think any time we're

1366
01:04:12,250 --> 01:04:09,410
seeing apparently secret craft in

1367
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,260
civilian airspace something fishy is

1368
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:15,200
going on we either have a craft that's

1369
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:18,559
not supposed to be there it's there is

1370
01:04:24,450 --> 01:04:21,890
there some warfare happening that we

1371
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:24,460
don't we're not always in the loop about

1372
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,150
our aliens showing themselves to us art

1373
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:32,000
is government showing itself to us and

1374
01:04:36,579 --> 01:04:33,950
pretending to be aliens there there's

1375
01:04:39,250 --> 01:04:36,589
the theory start to really get quite

1376
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:39,260
plentiful once you accept that they

1377
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:42,950
actually are overhead and are real and

1378
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:45,470
frankly I think all the theories should

1379
01:04:48,620 --> 01:04:47,089
be on the table and I would look to

1380
01:04:51,790 --> 01:04:48,630
people like your caller

1381
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:51,800
to have information that they can share

1382
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,280
because the government is already

1383
01:05:00,380 --> 01:04:57,920
telling a story about this right now

1384
01:05:02,420 --> 01:05:00,390
yeah and it looks like there's dissent

1385
01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:02,430
even within the government and within

1386
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,700
the astronaut community of of what these

1387
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:07,920
things are or at least what the public

1388
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:11,010
should know about it yeah yeah good

1389
01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:11,880
point

1390
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:17,150
yeah I I do think that there someone

1391
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:19,740
probably knows what's going on I think

1392
01:05:24,740 --> 01:05:22,410
at least on some of that but you know

1393
01:05:27,790 --> 01:05:24,750
the very good point that there it's

1394
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:27,800
worldwide and it's it's not going away

1395
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:33,240
so anyway we were talking I believe I

1396
01:05:43,340 --> 01:05:35,970
said - hold that thought and I wanted to

1397
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:43,350
say it was Marfa lights yes I don't have

1398
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:45,570
a great memory I don't know how how I

1399
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:48,900
remembered that I was lucky

1400
01:05:53,570 --> 01:05:52,230
I've memory for UFOs I guess just not

1401
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:53,580
for other things it's not for where my

1402
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:54,810
keys are I don't know where they are

1403
01:06:00,440 --> 01:05:58,680
so the Marfa lights so that's that's an

1404
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,450
ongoing sighting you can go to Marfa

1405
01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:02,640
Texas today and if you play your cards

1406
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:05,550
right and your you stake it out for a

1407
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:07,290
little bit there's a good chance that

1408
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:08,490
you'll see there and there might be a

1409
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:10,050
time of year I'm not sure that's better

1410
01:06:15,110 --> 01:06:12,690
for it the leading theory right now or

1411
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:15,120
the latest theory I should say is that

1412
01:06:22,310 --> 01:06:18,240
it is a mirage so I there's a specific

1413
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:22,320
Mirage that is caused from the

1414
01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:24,930
atmosphere so lights in the atmosphere I

1415
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:28,350
do not buy the car headlight theory

1416
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:30,630
because reports and the Marfa lights go

1417
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:32,970
back well before there were cars to the

1418
01:06:37,070 --> 01:06:35,250
1800s and Native American legends I

1419
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:37,080
don't buy that theory now what would be

1420
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:39,720
interesting though could the highway

1421
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:43,020
traffic be affecting it hmm

1422
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:45,810
there was a study I think universe it

1423
01:06:49,450 --> 01:06:46,890
might have been I don't want to say the

1424
01:06:52,460 --> 01:06:49,460
wrong University a university in Texas

1425
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:52,470
studied its study the Marfa lights and

1426
01:06:56,090 --> 01:06:53,640
concluded that there was a correlation

1427
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:56,100
at least between I mean I wasn't there

1428
01:07:00,380 --> 01:06:58,020
to watch it the study I couldn't

1429
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:00,390
actually find any video or of them doing

1430
01:07:02,650 --> 01:07:01,710
the study so I'll just take their word

1431
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:02,660
for

1432
01:07:09,259 --> 01:07:05,729
found some correlation between cars

1433
01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:09,269
driving and when the lights were seen I

1434
01:07:14,029 --> 01:07:12,209
don't like I said I don't know how much

1435
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:14,039
substance there is to that but perhaps

1436
01:07:20,959 --> 01:07:16,890
the car headlights were affecting an

1437
01:07:24,019 --> 01:07:20,969
existing phenomenon so I think because

1438
01:07:26,660 --> 01:07:24,029
those happen so routinely or you can see

1439
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:26,670
them so ongoing and in the same part of

1440
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:28,619
the sky and there seems to be a way to

1441
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,799
even make them happen I think that goes

1442
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:33,839
in the category of really what those

1443
01:07:39,819 --> 01:07:36,180
other if there is some mystery to them

1444
01:07:43,099 --> 01:07:39,829
or looking into it's probably not alien

1445
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:43,109
and it probably has something to do with

1446
01:07:52,130 --> 01:07:47,369
still may be some secret science Earth's

1447
01:07:53,689 --> 01:07:52,140
energy like lights and weird lights but

1448
01:07:55,999 --> 01:07:53,699
they never you said the University

1449
01:07:59,989 --> 01:07:56,009
studied it they never came up with any

1450
01:08:02,479 --> 01:07:59,999
type of solid Kalu conclusion I think I

1451
01:08:04,939 --> 01:08:02,489
think and there I think they were just

1452
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:04,949
being good scientists in there you know

1453
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:07,410
that it was a very scientific study and

1454
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,689
it was trying to be very fair and leave

1455
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:11,880
some room for doubt but I think to them

1456
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:14,609
they were pretty certain basically when

1457
01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:17,549
there was heavy highway traffic they

1458
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:20,460
could the UFO activity would increase

1459
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,730
and it was a pretty one-to-one again I

1460
01:08:29,209 --> 01:08:25,440
have not seen a video of them doing the

1461
01:08:31,549 --> 01:08:29,219
study or so I want to get out to Martha

1462
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:31,559
it's on my big list of places to go and

1463
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:34,770
see and do this myself so I definitely

1464
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:37,290
hope to post a video one day I need you

1465
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:40,199
and help see if I could could that seems

1466
01:08:44,419 --> 01:08:42,779
like it experiment I could do yeah go on

1467
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:44,429
a holiday weekend where to be a lot of

1468
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:48,480
traffic yeah or yeah or at least I guess

1469
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:49,710
you have to have some like in-between

1470
01:08:54,109 --> 01:08:52,409
moments of no traffic right so I'm sure

1471
01:08:57,919 --> 01:08:54,119
yeah I'm sure they were real nerdy about

1472
01:09:00,620 --> 01:08:57,929
it and were able to prove something but

1473
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:00,630
I think ultimately though we know that

1474
01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:03,239
there weren't cars driving around when

1475
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:05,159
these reports first started so there's

1476
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:09,299
some serious flaw to the study even if

1477
01:09:15,019 --> 01:09:11,909
they were able to find a correlation no

1478
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:15,029
I know it's my head

1479
01:09:20,420 --> 01:09:18,359
I know there is a I think there's a

1480
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,430
viewing platform and everything a

1481
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:22,560
building dedicated and everything right

1482
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:25,440
yep yeah it's really a nice little

1483
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:29,100
tourism industry there around it which

1484
01:09:34,820 --> 01:09:32,130
is fine like like Roswell but you you'll

1485
01:09:36,349 --> 01:09:34,830
actually see something so yeah I'm

1486
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,359
surprised I haven't been out there yet

1487
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:38,400
but it's kind of in the for those who

1488
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,650
are not in Texas Martha's it's not

1489
01:09:45,380 --> 01:09:42,960
really by any major cities like Dallas

1490
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:45,390
so it's quite a trek to get out there

1491
01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:46,830
but I think it's turned into quite a

1492
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:49,319
little artists community too out there

1493
01:09:57,620 --> 01:09:52,980
so well if there is something to the

1494
01:10:00,230 --> 01:09:57,630
lights we think you know there there's

1495
01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:00,240
the spirit orb phenomenon that's talked

1496
01:10:05,690 --> 01:10:03,030
a lot about in Central and South America

1497
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:05,700
that maybe there's some energy there

1498
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:07,710
there's some good vibes happening there

1499
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:11,370
and the lights are symptom of that have

1500
01:10:16,460 --> 01:10:13,110
you ever heard of the Brown Mountain

1501
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:16,470
lights no I haven't I don't think so

1502
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:19,020
yeah I don't want to mess that all up

1503
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:21,930
but I did I did a show on them you know

1504
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,980
a number of years ago exactly where it

1505
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:27,840
is I'm gonna get it wrong I'm sure I

1506
01:10:34,820 --> 01:10:32,100
think it's Virginia but I don't really

1507
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:34,830
remember exactly but it's something

1508
01:10:42,460 --> 01:10:36,330
people have been seeing for years as

1509
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:42,470
well there is a high copper content in

1510
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:45,090
some of the hills there that may have

1511
01:10:51,860 --> 01:10:46,560
something to do with a natural

1512
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:51,870
phenomenon possibly going back to Martha

1513
01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:55,890
though how could something be triggered

1514
01:11:02,690 --> 01:11:00,140
by cars how do they how do they say that

1515
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:02,700
happens did they go into details about

1516
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:06,120
that how it actually happens well I

1517
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:10,260
guess that's why I'm not a huge I don't

1518
01:11:14,810 --> 01:11:13,170
take the study completely you know I

1519
01:11:17,020 --> 01:11:14,820
take it with a grain of salt because I

1520
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:17,030
did the similar mental of gymnastics

1521
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:19,620
about it because I think they really

1522
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:23,130
were only I may again definitely look to

1523
01:11:27,490 --> 01:11:25,530
your audience - I think it's on

1524
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:27,500
Wikipedia actually

1525
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:31,310
good old Wikipedia I think it was really

1526
01:11:35,950 --> 01:11:33,410
a correlation and so I think they had a

1527
01:11:38,140 --> 01:11:35,960
working theory I think that's that that

1528
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:38,150
working theory that car headlights were

1529
01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:39,860
causing the phenomenon has been out

1530
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:42,950
there for a while I think so no yeah

1531
01:11:47,230 --> 01:11:45,050
right so I think they were just taking

1532
01:11:49,090 --> 01:11:47,240
that and trying to prove a correlation

1533
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:49,100
and that's what they were able to do I

1534
01:11:57,730 --> 01:11:53,600
think the actual science I that's why I

1535
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:57,740
would go back to I don't know the princi

1536
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:00,080
the hard to say it's Futter mirage or

1537
01:12:08,260 --> 01:12:04,130
something atmospheric effects i would

1538
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:08,270
seem more likely to me that would be

1539
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:12,170
then affected by other lights so that

1540
01:12:17,710 --> 01:12:15,770
that's my how i and that was another the

1541
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:17,720
Mirage theory with something that had

1542
01:12:23,890 --> 01:12:20,570
widths another separate theory alongside

1543
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:23,900
that you can find other cases around the

1544
01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:26,690
world that are similar attend Marfa

1545
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:30,500
lights so to me that's a little that's

1546
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:33,560
how I would that's my guess mm-hmm but

1547
01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:36,190
I've not been out there unfortunately I

1548
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:38,750
have a regular listener to the shows

1549
01:12:43,930 --> 01:12:40,910
been listening for almost near the

1550
01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:43,940
beginning that sent me a video today to

1551
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:46,790
talk to you about in it's UFOs at Little

1552
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:51,970
Elm are you familiar with that yeah I

1553
01:12:58,150 --> 01:12:55,010
it's a video actually on YouTube it's

1554
01:13:00,780 --> 01:12:58,160
really interesting looking video I have

1555
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:00,790
covered cases in Little Elm or a case

1556
01:13:05,980 --> 01:13:03,920
but I'm not sure I'm not sure if I know

1557
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:05,990
this one off the top of the head off of

1558
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:08,150
my head top of my head sorry these stink

1559
01:13:15,070 --> 01:13:12,530
yeah it's another it's another formation

1560
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:15,080
of lights moving and it looks like some

1561
01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:16,360
blinking that looks pretty interesting

1562
01:13:27,250 --> 01:13:19,300
so you'll you'll have to check that out

1563
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:27,260
I will yeah so well as far as the

1564
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,500
natural phenomena that can cause you

1565
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:32,960
know sightings that people see I think

1566
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:34,670
there's definitely something to that

1567
01:13:40,959 --> 01:13:38,090
there's places in the world that have

1568
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:40,969
you know have had sightings for

1569
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:44,840
like you mentioned centuries and so I do

1570
01:13:47,860 --> 01:13:46,310
believe there's also a natural

1571
01:13:48,939 --> 01:13:47,870
phenomenon you go back to the earthquake

1572
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:48,949
lights you're talking about in the

1573
01:13:56,020 --> 01:13:52,730
volcano with volcano lights so I do

1574
01:13:58,900 --> 01:13:56,030
think that these are you know it could

1575
01:14:00,400 --> 01:13:58,910
be plasma of some kind or like similar

1576
01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:00,410
to ball lightning just what you're

1577
01:14:06,420 --> 01:14:02,120
talking about I think there are a lot of

1578
01:14:11,050 --> 01:14:06,430
natural things that can happen just with

1579
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:11,060
you know nature that people will nature

1580
01:14:20,860 --> 01:14:17,810
see weird right I know just when they

1581
01:14:22,450 --> 01:14:20,870
think they can't you know just when they

1582
01:14:24,729 --> 01:14:22,460
the science thinks they have everything

1583
01:14:25,959 --> 01:14:24,739
figured out in space so there's

1584
01:14:32,620 --> 01:14:25,969
something that come along and they'll

1585
01:14:35,890 --> 01:14:32,630
say we've never seen that before all the

1586
01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:35,900
species here yet so it's it you know how

1587
01:14:41,229 --> 01:14:39,230
anybody can say that there's not aliens

1588
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,239
out there's is amazing to me we there's

1589
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:43,520
still aliens on this planet that we've

1590
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,910
yet to discover alien to us I know the

1591
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:48,800
ocean one thing there's probably a lot

1592
01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:51,170
of things in the ocean so anyway we are

1593
01:14:57,130 --> 01:14:52,790
taking calls if anyone would like to

1594
01:14:59,229 --> 01:14:57,140
call in okay let me just see what's

1595
01:15:03,280 --> 01:14:59,239
going on here we have a little issue

1596
01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:03,290
with a has nothing to do with what's

1597
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:06,980
going on with our audio we have a little

1598
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:08,930
video issue going on but nothing to

1599
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:11,750
worry about so anyone can call them if

1600
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:14,210
they like and let's talk about some

1601
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:18,250
other interesting UFO cases in in Texas

1602
01:15:24,130 --> 01:15:21,770
well so there's a great one on the site

1603
01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:24,140
right now it's a MUFON case that I am

1604
01:15:32,110 --> 01:15:27,140
currently trying to find other witnesses

1605
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:32,120
for so if you're in Houston Texas hit me

1606
01:15:38,530 --> 01:15:34,730
up if you saw this this thing it's

1607
01:15:43,930 --> 01:15:38,540
pretty interesting it what it looks like

1608
01:15:46,150 --> 01:15:43,940
is a vertical Dark Tower just kind of

1609
01:15:49,870 --> 01:15:46,160
floating along and a steady line

1610
01:15:52,090 --> 01:15:49,880
apparently over Houston I don't get the

1611
01:15:54,770 --> 01:15:52,100
feeling of a hoax that stuff I don't get

1612
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:54,780
the feeling of a CGI video but perhaps

1613
01:15:59,370 --> 01:15:57,489
misidentification so there are some

1614
01:16:04,590 --> 01:15:59,380
theories that it could be a helicopter

1615
01:16:07,530 --> 01:16:04,600
carrying a large object perhaps or oh my

1616
01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:07,540
goodness these headphones my ears must

1617
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:11,800
be shaped funny so yeah so theories

1618
01:16:19,740 --> 01:16:15,010
range from that I also read a theory

1619
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:19,750
that there's this wasp to military craft

1620
01:16:25,950 --> 01:16:22,810
from a while back from the 80s and it

1621
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:25,960
was a vertical one-man takeoff and

1622
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:28,930
landing craft that some civilians

1623
01:16:36,150 --> 01:16:31,930
apparently tried to build so it actually

1624
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:36,160
looks very so that would be kind of

1625
01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:39,489
funny if a civilian would built this

1626
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:42,670
weird like one-man vertical craft as a

1627
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:44,410
hobby and was flying it around Houston

1628
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,170
but I am definitely looking for witness

1629
01:16:51,150 --> 01:16:48,880
other witness reports because this is

1630
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:51,160
this would be a really good one to

1631
01:16:55,410 --> 01:16:53,290
continue to investigate in that videos

1632
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:55,420
on YouTube and on and on the homepage

1633
01:16:59,820 --> 01:16:57,010
for anybody and I think it's been picked

1634
01:17:01,890 --> 01:16:59,830
up by some other outlets so we'll see

1635
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:01,900
but unfortunately I have not heard from

1636
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:03,850
anybody yet and I really have put out

1637
01:17:09,780 --> 01:17:06,880
the the megaphone for people to let me

1638
01:17:11,220 --> 01:17:09,790
know if they saw this so how do you how

1639
01:17:13,979 --> 01:17:11,230
do you get the word out there have you

1640
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:13,989
ever used like other like Facebook or

1641
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:17,590
social media yeah so I'm everywhere yeah

1642
01:17:21,390 --> 01:17:19,330
so I try to be I mean that's just the

1643
01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:21,400
Nate nature of this right you're

1644
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:23,020
spreading the truth just try to I try to

1645
01:17:30,090 --> 01:17:26,290
spread it everywhere can so there's

1646
01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:30,100
Facebook / Texas UFOs and all the links

1647
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:32,830
are on the site and the contact there's

1648
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:35,290
Twitter TX UFO sightings there's

1649
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:37,570
Instagram kind of a little more fun but

1650
01:17:43,890 --> 01:17:40,630
I still be witness to send me witnesses

1651
01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:43,900
semi reports everywhere there is a forum

1652
01:17:49,650 --> 01:17:46,630
on the site and then of course the

1653
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:49,660
website and YouTube so I try to to get

1654
01:17:53,190 --> 01:17:51,310
it out of know those channels and then

1655
01:17:57,650 --> 01:17:53,200
hope that you know folks like you and

1656
01:17:59,760 --> 01:17:57,660
others you know continue to share now

1657
01:18:03,360 --> 01:17:59,770
you say that you get a lot of your

1658
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:03,370
information from MUFON ru8 I heard it

1659
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:06,610
was hard to access maybe it's maybe it's

1660
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:08,650
the the testimony or

1661
01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:11,370
thing are you actually able to access

1662
01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:15,430
information easily on move on there is

1663
01:18:21,540 --> 01:18:18,070
an existing very raw database that you

1664
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:21,550
can look at but unfortunately you cannot

1665
01:18:27,690 --> 01:18:24,640
follow up with the witnesses and there's

1666
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,700
your missing detail that really can arm

1667
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:30,400
you and there's a great move on field

1668
01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:33,010
investigators team teams you know all

1669
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:34,390
around the country that are actively

1670
01:18:41,130 --> 01:18:38,010
investigating cases but as far as

1671
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:41,140
covering it for the community there's a

1672
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:43,120
gap right there like so if move funds

1673
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:45,610
investigating a case for months and it

1674
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:48,490
never sees the light of day to anybody

1675
01:18:53,370 --> 01:18:51,280
living in the area then we missed that

1676
01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:53,380
chance to get those reports so that's

1677
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:55,990
how I see my role in helping that's

1678
01:19:00,450 --> 01:18:57,610
helped me help move fun and with fun

1679
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:00,460
help me think so there is a raw database

1680
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:03,370
but I don't understand it to be you know

1681
01:19:06,930 --> 01:19:05,050
if I if you're a MUFON investigator you

1682
01:19:10,410 --> 01:19:06,940
really do have special access and

1683
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:10,420
training and tool kit and all that as

1684
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,820
for as far as I know I see ok what about

1685
01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:16,480
new Fork

1686
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:18,070
have you ever worked with a Peter

1687
01:19:23,310 --> 01:19:21,250
Davenport in any type of way I it's just

1688
01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:23,320
another wonderful source I'm familiar

1689
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:25,300
with Peter Davenport and have been

1690
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:27,550
following along with yeah new Forks a

1691
01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:30,210
great one so I do I go to that regularly

1692
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:34,120
and this is I feel the case is there and

1693
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:36,130
are there are a lot of Texas cases

1694
01:19:41,370 --> 01:19:38,260
actually reported there

1695
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:41,380
not a ton but there's a good amount

1696
01:19:45,660 --> 01:19:43,150
where it's worth you know it's worth

1697
01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:45,670
checking into typically don't see many

1698
01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:47,620
good photos or videos there and and

1699
01:19:52,290 --> 01:19:50,230
similarly it can be hard to get a hold

1700
01:19:55,980 --> 01:19:52,300
of the witness but they do a really

1701
01:19:58,710 --> 01:19:55,990
great job at annotating reports you know

1702
01:20:01,500 --> 01:19:58,720
if they followed up with the witness or

1703
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:01,510
if they think it's a hoax ouput might be

1704
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:04,570
a hoax so that can be really helpful you

1705
01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:08,170
know for an investigator like me yes and

1706
01:20:12,150 --> 01:20:10,750
new Fork is a really good one we have

1707
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:12,160
someone in the chat room and by the way

1708
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:14,410
you're welcome to post if you don't want

1709
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:16,620
to call in you're welcome to post

1710
01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:18,730
questions in the chat room and they were

1711
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:20,830
talking about some was talking about the

1712
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:23,600
Aurora incident

1713
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:27,290
and someone noted wasn't that ended up

1714
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:30,650
being nothing and I believe I believe he

1715
01:20:36,850 --> 01:20:33,920
possibly oh you disagree you think it is

1716
01:20:40,380 --> 01:20:36,860
something I thought they found from what

1717
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:40,390
I understand they found some type of

1718
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:43,310
metals that ended up having to do with

1719
01:20:53,260 --> 01:20:45,530
some type of dirigible that was used

1720
01:20:56,980 --> 01:20:53,270
during that time actually I I actually

1721
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:56,990
spoke with Bill burns directly about

1722
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:00,320
that who did UFO Hunters on on that

1723
01:21:06,190 --> 01:21:03,410
particular show they did on that case

1724
01:21:10,510 --> 01:21:06,200
and he said it ends up being you know

1725
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:10,520
was basically solved I don't know that's

1726
01:21:16,060 --> 01:21:13,610
interesting I hadn't heard that my my

1727
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:16,070
feeling well this happened so long ago

1728
01:21:20,620 --> 01:21:17,690
that I don't think any of us could

1729
01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:20,630
confidently say what happened I mean

1730
01:21:29,170 --> 01:21:23,150
this is starter back then Roswell so

1731
01:21:30,580 --> 01:21:29,180
this is 18 1977 so none of us know what

1732
01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:30,590
happened that day let's just let's just

1733
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:32,510
be honest let's just be real

1734
01:21:35,950 --> 01:21:34,370
we don't know what happened at Roswell I

1735
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:35,960
don't know what happened in 2008 in

1736
01:21:41,770 --> 01:21:37,790
Stephenville Texas we don't know what

1737
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:41,780
happened in 1887 in Aurora Texas but the

1738
01:21:46,540 --> 01:21:44,090
story goes there was an airship that

1739
01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:46,550
we've seen and this is before planes

1740
01:21:52,780 --> 01:21:48,710
this is before drones this is before

1741
01:21:55,630 --> 01:21:52,790
cars just a little bit before cars so

1742
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:55,640
there's an airship it hits a windmill

1743
01:21:58,660 --> 01:21:57,350
that without what's disputed later it

1744
01:22:01,840 --> 01:21:58,670
might have been a different landmark

1745
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:01,850
that it hit it crashes that townspeople

1746
01:22:10,090 --> 01:22:05,710
come they discover a dead alien body

1747
01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:10,100
they bury it there's military comes in

1748
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:13,960
later and the rest is UFO Hunters right

1749
01:22:20,050 --> 01:22:17,930
and and I mean that sincerely people

1750
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:20,060
like me trying to figure out the truth

1751
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:23,300
there was multiple attempts in my

1752
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:25,250
opinion to debunk this which is a red

1753
01:22:28,750 --> 01:22:26,960
flag to me that something really

1754
01:22:31,540 --> 01:22:28,760
happened there

1755
01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:31,550
there was a story so that's interesting

1756
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:33,320
that burns would say that because the

1757
01:22:36,370 --> 01:22:36,050
original hoax story was that it was just

1758
01:24:31,420 --> 01:22:36,380
a

1759
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:31,430
Google there's so much stuff up there

1760
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,170
it's like come on they've they've been

1761
01:24:38,260 --> 01:24:36,320
putting stuff up there way back then and

1762
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:38,270
if you've ever seen a picture of just

1763
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:41,090
all the satellites and all that are all

1764
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:43,910
just hovering around us you know over

1765
01:24:48,190 --> 01:24:46,400
our plate it's just like where I want to

1766
01:24:50,180 --> 01:24:48,200
see the stars again is that just so

1767
01:24:53,370 --> 01:24:50,190
really

1768
01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:53,380
started that's incredible yeah that

1769
01:24:57,780 --> 01:24:55,300
actually makes the case more interesting

1770
01:25:00,990 --> 01:24:57,790
to me that we actually now have a trace

1771
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:01,000
evidence of an actual crash crash well

1772
01:25:07,460 --> 01:25:04,930
possibly yeah I don't really know bill

1773
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:07,470
burns I you know you actually do a show

1774
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:11,020
yeah you do a show basically right or is

1775
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:13,690
it yeah and is that how does that how

1776
01:25:19,890 --> 01:25:16,930
does that work it's newer today really

1777
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:19,900
focused on YouTube this year which I had

1778
01:25:24,990 --> 01:25:22,330
not in the past and I have a little help

1779
01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:25,000
with that so the next episode for will

1780
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:27,160
actually come out this week sometime

1781
01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:30,610
this week and it's the weird UFO show

1782
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:33,670
have interviews and then also try and

1783
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:36,610
have fun with it so trying to do the the

1784
01:25:43,380 --> 01:25:39,730
good interviews and also honestly poke a

1785
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,390
little fun at the topic and new at this

1786
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:44,800
hope to keep getting better and better

1787
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:46,630
and more more entertaining but I think

1788
01:25:54,690 --> 01:25:47,770
people like it so far

1789
01:25:57,420 --> 01:25:54,700
no it's a lot of fun yeah you too to

1790
01:26:00,210 --> 01:25:57,430
your YouTube channel is called is it

1791
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:00,220
Texas UFO sightings I know there's so

1792
01:26:04,980 --> 01:26:02,110
many different channels they make you

1793
01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:04,990
create them at different times it's hard

1794
01:26:10,650 --> 01:26:07,870
to keep up with but really everything on

1795
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:10,660
the sites all the links are on Texas UFO

1796
01:26:16,980 --> 01:26:14,530
sightings or Texas UFOs calm so if you

1797
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:16,990
want to find me anywhere YouTube Twitter

1798
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:19,090
Instagram Facebook it's there in that

1799
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,270
navigation okay again anyone's welcome

1800
01:26:28,770 --> 01:26:24,960
to call in that numbers up on the screen

1801
01:26:30,210 --> 01:26:28,780
I'm also going to keep my eyes I'm going

1802
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:30,220
to look at the chat room see if you'd

1803
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:32,850
like to post any questions up on there

1804
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:35,710
just looking you know there are a lot of

1805
01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:37,690
people that seem to have some

1806
01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:41,560
information about about that particular

1807
01:26:48,210 --> 01:26:46,630
Aurora case they would not let the they

1808
01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:48,220
would not let the body be exhumed I know

1809
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:52,270
that much and there's no marker actually

1810
01:26:57,660 --> 01:26:54,090
I believe there's no marker there or

1811
01:27:00,090 --> 01:26:57,670
write BNE but it was me I think there's

1812
01:27:02,770 --> 01:27:00,100
like a kind more of a historic worker

1813
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:02,780
like tourist friendly marker

1814
01:27:08,979 --> 01:27:06,260
don't think it's actually in place the

1815
01:27:11,919 --> 01:27:08,989
actual spot that it should be it's my

1816
01:27:13,810 --> 01:27:11,929
understanding and that's another like I

1817
01:27:15,609 --> 01:27:13,820
said Texas is huge and I've been to tons

1818
01:27:18,010 --> 01:27:15,619
of cities in this state inner roars

1819
01:27:20,379 --> 01:27:18,020
woman I actually almost went out there

1820
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:20,389
they were almost gonna have a Halloween

1821
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:22,489
of it and then it got canceled but I was

1822
01:27:28,270 --> 01:27:24,710
actually I was gonna I was really

1823
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:28,280
excited to go check it out for myself I

1824
01:27:34,660 --> 01:27:31,280
know they have a plaque about it oh they

1825
01:27:37,149 --> 01:27:34,670
do yeah is there is that the would you

1826
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:37,159
call that the earliest case known case

1827
01:27:42,339 --> 01:27:41,110
in Texas that you're aware of in Texas

1828
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:42,349
probably

1829
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:45,110
well maybe the Marfa lights Oh they've

1830
01:27:49,810 --> 01:27:46,460
been talking about that back before then

1831
01:27:52,660 --> 01:27:49,820
yeah I mean I know as far as I mean

1832
01:27:55,689 --> 01:27:52,670
worldwide you can go back to the the

1833
01:27:58,779 --> 01:27:55,699
Bible in ancient texts but in Texas as

1834
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:58,789
far as like a documented case I would

1835
01:28:05,169 --> 01:28:01,520
say yeah that's a fair statement and

1836
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:05,179
what does I think was it they're a full

1837
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:08,090
fighter like a full fighter case in

1838
01:28:18,279 --> 01:28:15,770
Texas there was so there was yes it felt

1839
01:28:22,029 --> 01:28:18,289
it was an ear I think it I believe it

1840
01:28:24,549 --> 01:28:22,039
was following a plane so I think there

1841
01:28:26,859 --> 01:28:24,559
yes I think there was a glowing orb that

1842
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:26,869
it was essentially pacing a plane you're

1843
01:28:33,129 --> 01:28:31,489
very typical Foo Fighter definition that

1844
01:28:36,250 --> 01:28:33,139
you heard of but obviously not during

1845
01:28:38,529 --> 01:28:36,260
wartime and I'm having trouble

1846
01:28:41,799 --> 01:28:38,539
remembering what year that was an

1847
01:28:47,379 --> 01:28:41,809
obviously seen in the sky so you know

1848
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:47,389
city it would hard to say but over Texas

1849
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:51,050
and so you can't really remember much as

1850
01:28:58,209 --> 01:28:53,090
far as the details go in that in that

1851
01:29:02,700 --> 01:28:58,219
particular one yeah do you happen to

1852
01:29:06,220 --> 01:29:02,710
know if it was a commercial airline or

1853
01:29:07,810 --> 01:29:06,230
that much about it I think it was I

1854
01:29:09,490 --> 01:29:07,820
think it was like just a normal

1855
01:29:11,919 --> 01:29:09,500
commercial plane there was nothing odd

1856
01:29:13,870 --> 01:29:11,929
about the plane I can see the picture I

1857
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:13,880
can see it in my head

1858
01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:17,310
it's just the the glowing that ball of

1859
01:29:21,710 --> 01:29:20,340
light that white ball of light that you

1860
01:29:23,780 --> 01:29:21,720
know is oddly enough it's kind of

1861
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,790
reminds me of the earthquake lights and

1862
01:29:26,900 --> 01:29:25,440
some of that more organic phenomenon

1863
01:29:29,690 --> 01:29:26,910
that we talked about but there's clearly

1864
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:29,700
something intelligent yeah that's what's

1865
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:32,610
hard too hard to perceive what these

1866
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:36,360
things can be and there was as far as

1867
01:29:41,180 --> 01:29:38,490
the Foo Fighters reported you know

1868
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:41,190
during World War two you know they had

1869
01:29:46,190 --> 01:29:44,370
there were some reports of them saying

1870
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,200
something similar you know like it

1871
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:48,960
seemed to be you know reacting to what

1872
01:29:56,570 --> 01:29:53,310
we were doing type of thing yeah so I

1873
01:29:58,520 --> 01:29:56,580
find that really fascinating and that's

1874
01:30:04,700 --> 01:29:58,530
you know just before what we call the

1875
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:04,710
modern UFO era yeah we're yeah modern

1876
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:07,620
UFO era is it's the best one to be in

1877
01:30:14,260 --> 01:30:10,290
yeah yeah

1878
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:14,270
so after Roswell they started seeing

1879
01:30:20,510 --> 01:30:17,610
flaps all over the country in the fort

1880
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:20,520
late 40s early 50s really strong what

1881
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:22,970
was it like in Texas weather sightings

1882
01:30:28,730 --> 01:30:26,520
active at that point yeah so to appear

1883
01:30:30,620 --> 01:30:28,740
so so we really we talked about them

1884
01:30:32,660 --> 01:30:30,630
since the level end and Lubbock lights

1885
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:32,670
were some of the ones that happened

1886
01:30:39,190 --> 01:30:35,510
shortly after Roswell and you're right

1887
01:30:42,710 --> 01:30:39,200
really around the country if you look at

1888
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:42,720
you have the history of UFO crashes of

1889
01:30:48,830 --> 01:30:46,320
aliens crashing here there's quite a

1890
01:30:50,210 --> 01:30:48,840
long history and there's there's a right

1891
01:30:52,730 --> 01:30:50,220
there appears to be some rhyme or reason

1892
01:30:55,700 --> 01:30:52,740
it's not happening randomly you had that

1893
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:55,710
wave in the 40s 50s that seemed to be

1894
01:31:00,800 --> 01:30:57,810
similar in Texas at different parts of

1895
01:31:02,780 --> 01:31:00,810
the world like the caller said these are

1896
01:31:05,780 --> 01:31:02,790
top-secret craft why are they all over

1897
01:31:08,890 --> 01:31:05,790
the world and looking similar there

1898
01:31:13,190 --> 01:31:08,900
seemed to be another wave in the 70s

1899
01:31:16,670 --> 01:31:13,200
not so much in Texas but again in the

1900
01:31:19,780 --> 01:31:16,680
80s we talked about the cash linndrum

1901
01:31:23,150 --> 01:31:19,790
and snap but I want to say there were

1902
01:31:24,620 --> 01:31:23,160
there was another prominent 80s case and

1903
01:31:26,359 --> 01:31:24,630
there were others in other parts of the

1904
01:31:28,879 --> 01:31:26,369
country

1905
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:28,889
and you had that Phoenix lights wave in

1906
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:31,530
the 90s said this like every decade kind

1907
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:34,190
of had like a little five year span

1908
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:36,449
where these things are coming down and

1909
01:31:42,580 --> 01:31:38,310
they seem to disappear for a while

1910
01:31:46,430 --> 01:31:42,590
right right so Bobby just put on the

1911
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,440
chat room he usually calls in I was

1912
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:48,560
trying to get him to call in but anyway

1913
01:31:55,879 --> 01:31:53,250
he writes at an air-source an Air Force

1914
01:31:59,240 --> 01:31:55,889
are b-47 surveillance airplane

1915
01:32:02,140 --> 01:31:59,250
encountered a luminous flying disc this

1916
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:02,150
I guess this was 1957 over Fort Worth

1917
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:04,800
have you okay do you know that one or

1918
01:32:09,550 --> 01:32:06,570
the fighter incident

1919
01:32:12,379 --> 01:32:09,560
oh maybe that's what he's talking about

1920
01:32:14,570 --> 01:32:12,389
that might be it actually the luminous

1921
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:14,580
disc you said it was an orb that might

1922
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:16,260
be what I was thinking of then I'm

1923
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:20,730
wondering I see it might be yes of the

1924
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:23,250
50s I don't know what was I mean not

1925
01:32:29,209 --> 01:32:26,010
just in Texas but in other in other

1926
01:32:31,580 --> 01:32:29,219
parts of the country as well okay so we

1927
01:32:33,740 --> 01:32:31,590
have after Roswell mm-hmm we have a

1928
01:32:36,010 --> 01:32:33,750
caller caller how you doing your first

1929
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:36,020
name where you calling from

1930
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:39,030
it is buck me Bobby I just asked your

1931
01:32:55,820 --> 01:32:52,770
question is that where you call it 50 70

1932
01:32:57,740 --> 01:32:55,830
47 so are b-47 surveillance airplanes I

1933
01:33:01,850 --> 01:32:57,750
had all kinds of surveillance equipment

1934
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:01,860
on it for receiving radio signals and

1935
01:33:05,810 --> 01:33:03,810
radar detector and stuff and they follow

1936
01:33:09,919 --> 01:33:05,820
the illumina spline discs over Fort

1937
01:33:11,660 --> 01:33:09,929
Worth in 1957 for quite some time it was

1938
01:33:12,859 --> 01:33:11,670
like our over an hour I think they

1939
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:12,869
followed this thing is pretty famous

1940
01:33:18,979 --> 01:33:14,449
case it easy to find

1941
01:33:22,339 --> 01:33:18,989
mm-hmm how about that that's that's a

1942
01:33:24,919 --> 01:33:22,349
1940 7th of the same year as Roswell I'm

1943
01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:24,929
sorry it was in the RB 47 which is the

1944
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:26,460
type of flame that it was was a military

1945
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:29,610
plane and it was in 1957 and if I

1946
01:33:34,220 --> 01:33:31,199
remember correctly they're coming in off

1947
01:33:35,689 --> 01:33:34,230
the Gulf and heading north and they

1948
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:35,699
actually followed this disc that could

1949
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:37,290
actually see it was a luminous disc and

1950
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,650
the disc actually went down low

1951
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:42,480
maybe a few hundred feet off the ground

1952
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:43,890
and they actually followed it for quite

1953
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:46,080
some time it didn't try to evade them or

1954
01:33:49,730 --> 01:33:47,570
do anything at state where they could

1955
01:33:51,620 --> 01:33:49,740
they couldn't actually catch up to it

1956
01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:51,630
but the state within distance where they

1957
01:34:00,230 --> 01:33:54,450
could actually watch it it was an Edward

1958
01:34:01,340 --> 01:34:00,240
Condon's book in 1969 yeah that's

1959
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:01,350
actually a little different than this

1960
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:04,170
infighter one that I had was recalling I

1961
01:34:11,210 --> 01:34:09,600
think doesn't it look I don't know did

1962
01:34:19,010 --> 01:34:11,220
they actually get photos or videos from

1963
01:34:21,650 --> 01:34:19,020
that yeah yeah that's one I don't recall

1964
01:34:23,210 --> 01:34:21,660
seeing any any photos or videos for

1965
01:34:25,550 --> 01:34:23,220
where is the other one

1966
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:25,560
so yeah they must have kept a tight lid

1967
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:30,870
but yeah yeah I found that yeah just so

1968
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:32,250
you know I've been following you for a

1969
01:34:36,230 --> 01:34:34,290
while on Twitter you actually have a

1970
01:34:41,410 --> 01:34:36,240
really good knack at finding interesting

1971
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:44,090
appreciate it thanks for coming good

1972
01:34:49,060 --> 01:34:46,190
night all right Bobby thanks to the call

1973
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:49,070
you're welcome I've never actually

1974
01:34:57,230 --> 01:34:53,970
figured out how to use Twitter I mean I

1975
01:34:59,060 --> 01:34:57,240
you just type and I know I mean I I

1976
01:35:00,740 --> 01:34:59,070
actually use Twitter as far as it's

1977
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:00,750
connected to my Facebook page and all

1978
01:35:05,690 --> 01:35:03,690
that but I don't know how to like how

1979
01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:05,700
I'd see someone's stuff on Twitter I

1980
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:07,710
guess chef do you set up alerts or

1981
01:35:15,380 --> 01:35:13,650
something I'm sure yeah it's so fast and

1982
01:35:17,780 --> 01:35:15,390
people are just tweeting all the time

1983
01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:17,790
and if you lot see that you have to be

1984
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:19,860
in there I find there's really good

1985
01:35:25,370 --> 01:35:22,650
conversations about UFO sightings

1986
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:25,380
happening there and even UFOs being

1987
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:28,610
reported there so I try to embed myself

1988
01:35:35,330 --> 01:35:32,930
wherever the conversation is now and

1989
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:35,340
yeah if you don't mind me saying this

1990
01:35:41,450 --> 01:35:37,710
you're young ish I would say you're

1991
01:35:43,820 --> 01:35:41,460
young ish and there's doesn't seem to be

1992
01:35:46,220 --> 01:35:43,830
a lot of you know younger people you

1993
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:46,230
know I hope I'm not offending too many

1994
01:35:49,190 --> 01:35:47,490
people out there that are young they're

1995
01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:49,200
actually listening doesn't just seem

1996
01:35:55,580 --> 01:35:52,920
like there's a whole lot of younger

1997
01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:55,590
interested in the topic am I wrong about

1998
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:00,060
that so yes and no so let's say as far

1999
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:04,770
as the UFO researchers and hosts it's

2000
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:07,590
that's probably there's probably a gap

2001
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:10,650
there but I would say that there is a

2002
01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:16,530
huge community youthful community that

2003
01:36:21,890 --> 01:36:19,320
is interested in UFOs and I would say

2004
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:21,900
beyond interested like they take them as

2005
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:25,290
real and are not even asking anymore if

2006
01:36:28,910 --> 01:36:27,510
they're real if aliens or UFOs are real

2007
01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:28,920
or if they're visiting so there's a

2008
01:36:35,570 --> 01:36:32,310
really growing big young population

2009
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:35,580
right now that I think that we have to

2010
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:38,850
pass the torch to so I'd say yes up

2011
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:42,510
until now and and who's established yes

2012
01:36:47,030 --> 01:36:43,920
they're gonna be those authoritative

2013
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:47,040
people that had military contacts back

2014
01:36:51,770 --> 01:36:49,890
in the day so you're talking about how

2015
01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:51,780
this topic is becoming more mainstream

2016
01:36:58,190 --> 01:36:55,800
and that that almost seems like a TMZ

2017
01:37:02,210 --> 01:36:58,200
article Alejandro Alejandro was sharing

2018
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,220
earlier and so as it becomes more

2019
01:37:07,010 --> 01:37:04,080
popular in mainstream I think you're

2020
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:07,020
gonna start seeing younger people take

2021
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:09,930
up the torch and and and start to blog

2022
01:37:14,750 --> 01:37:12,210
about it more and that sort of thing

2023
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:14,760
yeah I would say there's kind of a gap

2024
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:17,250
between the older crowd and the super

2025
01:37:23,150 --> 01:37:20,640
young crowd right now well you know you

2026
01:37:27,290 --> 01:37:23,160
talk about like social media that's

2027
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:27,300
really plays a big role in today and

2028
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:29,850
what's happening locally you know I mean

2029
01:37:34,430 --> 01:37:32,610
there are Facebook sites for like you

2030
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,440
have the one for Texas and there are

2031
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:36,480
four regionally for a lot of different

2032
01:37:44,110 --> 01:37:39,330
ones but also you know it's a pretty

2033
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:44,120
pretty hot topic on Facebook and that's

2034
01:37:50,510 --> 01:37:46,530
basically the only place I really go to

2035
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:50,520
see anything I know there's I saw you do

2036
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:52,890
Instagram and I don't understand any of

2037
01:37:56,730 --> 01:37:54,250
that stuff I just

2038
01:37:59,010 --> 01:37:56,740
I don't know how that actually works so

2039
01:38:02,310 --> 01:37:59,020
I just try to be wherever the people are

2040
01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:02,320
yeah yeah but I mean you think the role

2041
01:38:09,290 --> 01:38:04,840
is gonna just keep playing more and more

2042
01:38:13,110 --> 01:38:09,300
into the UFO field of social medias I

2043
01:38:16,530 --> 01:38:13,120
think with the government so active in

2044
01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:16,540
this now and pushing it it's gonna

2045
01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:19,960
create just endless turn of things to

2046
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,450
talk about it it's just gonna keep the

2047
01:38:26,370 --> 01:38:23,920
conversations gonna keep getting bigger

2048
01:38:29,550 --> 01:38:26,380
and bigger and more complex and more

2049
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:29,560
inclusive yes I mean yes so yes I think

2050
01:38:33,330 --> 01:38:30,610
more and more people are gonna

2051
01:38:35,460 --> 01:38:33,340
participate in it it's gonna evolve the

2052
01:38:38,850 --> 01:38:35,470
conversation I think maybe for the first

2053
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:38,860
time will actually start to evolve in my

2054
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:41,650
opinion we've been talking about the UFO

2055
01:38:46,830 --> 01:38:43,210
community he's been talking about old

2056
01:38:49,260 --> 01:38:46,840
cases for a long time and still trying

2057
01:38:54,090 --> 01:38:49,270
to make the case that they're real and I

2058
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:54,100
think maybe the younger people who grew

2059
01:39:00,240 --> 01:38:56,800
up just believing they're real they're

2060
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,250
beyond that so it's gonna be about what

2061
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:02,560
are you seeing in the sky overhead right

2062
01:39:06,630 --> 01:39:04,930
now what are you seeing in your

2063
01:39:10,050 --> 01:39:06,640
neighborhood what do you just personally

2064
01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:10,060
believe what if you experienced versus

2065
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:13,150
what happened in Roswell in 1947 what's

2066
01:39:16,590 --> 01:39:15,010
happening right now today because this

2067
01:39:19,740 --> 01:39:16,600
is a real thing that's happening in

2068
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:19,750
front of us today now have you yourself

2069
01:39:24,900 --> 01:39:22,530
or your husband ever had a sighting

2070
01:39:27,950 --> 01:39:24,910
there's one time when I think I saw

2071
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:27,960
triangle UFO and it was funny because I

2072
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:30,850
almost like couldn't believe it you know

2073
01:39:35,670 --> 01:39:33,370
even though I was seeing it I was like

2074
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:35,680
even debunking it as it was happening

2075
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,110
and I didn't even get I didn't even film

2076
01:39:42,180 --> 01:39:40,480
it like here yeah yeah I understand I

2077
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:42,190
didn't and I cuz I just wanted to

2078
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:44,890
analyze it and I just but I do believe

2079
01:39:52,650 --> 01:39:49,450
that I saw a triangle drone of some kind

2080
01:39:55,110 --> 01:39:52,660
for whatever reason I don't seem to have

2081
01:39:56,580 --> 01:39:55,120
experiences or see things I do think

2082
01:39:58,920 --> 01:39:56,590
there are people that are prone to

2083
01:40:03,060 --> 01:39:58,930
having those they may be more open to

2084
01:40:06,420 --> 01:40:03,070
them than I am I think that I enjoy the

2085
01:40:07,290 --> 01:40:06,430
objective reporter role and by not

2086
01:40:11,670 --> 01:40:07,300
seeing things

2087
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:11,680
it does help a bit I can remain a little

2088
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:14,850
more skeptical when needed and learn

2089
01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:18,430
versus projecting too much of my own I

2090
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,310
guess experiences onto things so I I

2091
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:26,080
understand exactly what you're saying

2092
01:40:32,250 --> 01:40:29,710
about you know when I had the sighting

2093
01:40:33,450 --> 01:40:32,260
that I had I would have never if I had a

2094
01:40:35,790 --> 01:40:33,460
camera right next to me I would have

2095
01:40:38,730 --> 01:40:35,800
never even thought to pick it up I mean

2096
01:40:40,980 --> 01:40:38,740
you're just like in the moment in like

2097
01:40:43,230 --> 01:40:40,990
what the heck you know type of thing so

2098
01:40:46,110 --> 01:40:43,240
you think about all those type of things

2099
01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:46,120
afterwards I didn't have a camera nearby

2100
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:48,190
yeah that's what a lot of skeptics will

2101
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:49,930
say they're like well this was such a

2102
01:40:53,610 --> 01:40:52,210
huge UFO and it was in the middle of

2103
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:53,620
city where's all the video

2104
01:40:58,250 --> 01:40:54,850
well where's all the videos of the

2105
01:41:02,070 --> 01:40:58,260
Phoenix lights there's not that many

2106
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:02,080
cases there's not that many videos even

2107
01:41:05,820 --> 01:41:04,060
the ones we know happened you go try to

2108
01:41:09,540 --> 01:41:05,830
take a video of a plane at night a

2109
01:41:12,210 --> 01:41:09,550
commercial play a giant aircraft that we

2110
01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:12,220
know exists you can identify take a

2111
01:41:16,410 --> 01:41:14,440
nighttime video especially with an

2112
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:16,420
Instagram vertical Instagram story

2113
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:20,410
forget it it's gonna look crappy even if

2114
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:22,510
you do get it so there's a big myth that

2115
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:24,970
if there's some really obvious alien

2116
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:26,710
spaceship up there that we're all gonna

2117
01:41:31,500 --> 01:41:29,110
be posting videos and and that's not

2118
01:41:35,730 --> 01:41:31,510
just not really the case far as the

2119
01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:35,740
Phoenix lights go there's only I think

2120
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:38,350
there's only like one known video that

2121
01:41:43,740 --> 01:41:41,530
was actually that and then the rest of

2122
01:41:46,730 --> 01:41:43,750
the videos were taken of the the

2123
01:41:49,170 --> 01:41:46,740
military flares that went up later I

2124
01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:49,180
call those the cover-up flares

2125
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:51,820
I don't know I'm sure that's what they

2126
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:55,600
were that's a that's where mine was

2127
01:41:59,820 --> 01:41:57,610
going I kind of didn't almost want to

2128
01:42:03,510 --> 01:41:59,830
say it but yeah yeah that that's

2129
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:03,520
ridiculous yeah everyone was seeing this

2130
01:42:09,330 --> 01:42:06,850
thing and so what a perfect idea to do

2131
01:42:13,170 --> 01:42:09,340
that go out and do the flares and now

2132
01:42:15,330 --> 01:42:13,180
you have a story and we just talked

2133
01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:15,340
about the roar a Texas incident and yeah

2134
01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:22,980
and you know there you go yeah yeah I

2135
01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:26,920
when I talked to Peter Davenport a month

2136
01:42:32,190 --> 01:42:29,710
or two ago he was talking I know where

2137
01:42:35,580 --> 01:42:32,200
we're supposed to be talking about Texas

2138
01:42:37,380 --> 01:42:35,590
but anyway I cover it all by the way I

2139
01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:37,390
cover all the national stuff all the

2140
01:42:43,530 --> 01:42:40,720
shows interviews with you know the Nick

2141
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:43,540
Redfern and Michael horn and got a cool

2142
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:45,130
one coming up so yeah it's all it's all

2143
01:42:52,170 --> 01:42:48,090
fair game oh you had Michael horn on Wow

2144
01:42:54,140 --> 01:42:52,180
you're a brave woman I've interviewed

2145
01:42:57,930 --> 01:42:54,150
him a few times it's a fun conversation

2146
01:42:59,400 --> 01:42:57,940
as you know yes a lot of people there's

2147
01:43:02,670 --> 01:42:59,410
a lot of controversy yeah absolutely

2148
01:43:10,110 --> 01:43:06,720
so anyway even Peter Davenport was very

2149
01:43:13,020 --> 01:43:10,120
active during the Phoenix lights taking

2150
01:43:16,710 --> 01:43:13,030
in reports as it was happening and he

2151
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:16,720
one of his callers suggested that craft

2152
01:43:24,030 --> 01:43:20,560
that he saw was at least eight miles

2153
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:24,040
wide you know isn't that crazy I mean I

2154
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:26,730
that's the first time I had heard that

2155
01:43:33,870 --> 01:43:31,330
Wow been a UFO researcher in 97 I was

2156
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,880
not eat oh yes I'm doing the site bike

2157
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:35,280
then that would have been cool

2158
01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:39,510
especially Tiffin in Arizona at the time

2159
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:43,150
yeah hopefully we will there be other

2160
01:43:47,820 --> 01:43:46,330
mass sightings you know where I think a

2161
01:43:51,390 --> 01:43:47,830
mass sighting today would be definitely

2162
01:43:55,050 --> 01:43:51,400
you've mentioned the pentagon story

2163
01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:55,060
coming out and last I think that since

2164
01:44:00,300 --> 01:43:57,490
that people going to take it a lot more

2165
01:44:03,420 --> 01:44:00,310
seriously you know if they have a mass

2166
01:44:06,930 --> 01:44:03,430
sighting well in it and we talked about

2167
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:06,940
all the things that we're putting up

2168
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:10,000
into the sky right now got you on musk

2169
01:44:15,870 --> 01:44:12,730
sending up all these rockets

2170
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:15,880
he sent up a rocket shortly after the

2171
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:18,970
Pentagon story with little warning if

2172
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:21,610
people recall and it caused a mass UFO

2173
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:24,730
panic right and I thought the timing of

2174
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:29,410
that was we have Elon Musk's Indian

2175
01:44:32,939 --> 01:44:32,290
Rockets we have all all this stuff going

2176
01:44:37,259 --> 01:44:32,949
on in our

2177
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:37,269
guys there's a lot of confusion right

2178
01:44:47,339 --> 01:44:44,800
now right it's a lot so there was a

2179
01:44:49,739 --> 01:44:47,349
Norwegian if anyone got looks online

2180
01:44:53,459 --> 01:44:49,749
there's an incredible UFO Norwegian

2181
01:44:56,669 --> 01:44:53,469
spiral UFO and that ended up being a

2182
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:56,679
failed Russian missile launch and those

2183
01:45:02,879 --> 01:44:59,440
in the upper atmosphere and they

2184
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:02,889
absolutely look incredible and

2185
01:45:09,239 --> 01:45:07,090
unexplainable so I totally get word yeah

2186
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,249
so I understand when something like that

2187
01:45:13,379 --> 01:45:11,440
happens you know you're gonna get all

2188
01:45:16,290 --> 01:45:13,389
these people witnessing something crazy

2189
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:16,300
that's actually has an answer to it and

2190
01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:18,880
that's that is the I don't want to say

2191
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:21,760
the problem but that is you know

2192
01:45:27,299 --> 01:45:24,249
something to consider that whatever it

2193
01:45:30,270 --> 01:45:27,309
is 80 some odd percent of these UFOs

2194
01:45:32,699 --> 01:45:30,280
have an answer you know that these

2195
01:45:35,790 --> 01:45:32,709
people see and then the the issue a lot

2196
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:35,800
of times people don't want to let go of

2197
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:38,050
their their story

2198
01:45:43,020 --> 01:45:40,449
you know when they find out it's a real

2199
01:45:45,569 --> 01:45:43,030
phenomena are there any cases in Texas

2200
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:45,579
that you can think of that or that

2201
01:45:49,739 --> 01:45:48,639
you've actually figured out while you

2202
01:45:52,020 --> 01:45:49,749
were doing research that it was

2203
01:45:54,449 --> 01:45:52,030
sometimes I would say that's more common

2204
01:45:55,799 --> 01:45:54,459
is this the debunking and what are the

2205
01:45:59,850 --> 01:45:55,809
kind of more interesting ones though

2206
01:46:04,620 --> 01:45:59,860
that maybe we solved is there is a case

2207
01:46:07,140 --> 01:46:04,630
I think it's 2017 in San Antonio what

2208
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:07,150
looked like a craft crashing just

2209
01:46:13,890 --> 01:46:11,440
crashing multiple reports to me I mean

2210
01:46:16,890 --> 01:46:13,900
it was I was inundated I think the local

2211
01:46:18,290 --> 01:46:16,900
news was as well I reported on it people

2212
01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:18,300
are pretty adamant

2213
01:46:25,859 --> 01:46:21,670
there was a plane or something crashing

2214
01:46:28,830 --> 01:46:25,869
huge smoky cloud and I got some

2215
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:28,840
meteorologists to help and they really

2216
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:31,449
and some people who worked at the

2217
01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:37,840
airport and they debunked it as a jet

2218
01:46:43,620 --> 01:46:40,630
with a contrail that looked really funky

2219
01:46:46,379 --> 01:46:43,630
in the Sun now I'm still not completely

2220
01:46:50,250 --> 01:46:46,389
convinced about that but

2221
01:46:53,549 --> 01:46:50,260
their credit that can look crazy a jet

2222
01:46:56,279 --> 01:46:53,559
with a contrail with the sun shining on

2223
01:46:58,169 --> 01:46:56,289
it at just the oddest way can look

2224
01:47:00,239 --> 01:46:58,179
really crazy and I did see some other

2225
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:00,249
videos where you would I could see

2226
01:47:06,290 --> 01:47:02,169
panicking and thinking something was

2227
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:06,300
crashing so I mean everything from

2228
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:10,719
Chinese lanterns to lens flares I if you

2229
01:47:17,939 --> 01:47:13,030
send me a lens flare I'm not gonna post

2230
01:47:20,399 --> 01:47:17,949
it I'm sorry but there are some photos

2231
01:47:22,290 --> 01:47:20,409
that look like lens flares though where

2232
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:22,300
people say they see with their naked eye

2233
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,800
so it's you know just a case-by-case but

2234
01:47:32,459 --> 01:47:28,719
I would say just like you're saying 80%

2235
01:47:34,250 --> 01:47:32,469
there's usually those don't make it to

2236
01:47:38,069 --> 01:47:34,260
the light of day on the site hopefully

2237
01:47:40,739 --> 01:47:38,079
but yeah I would say most mostly there's

2238
01:47:43,319 --> 01:47:40,749
usually I have an explanation going into

2239
01:47:46,199 --> 01:47:43,329
it and can kind of roughly determine or

2240
01:47:49,020 --> 01:47:46,209
conclude as time goes on

2241
01:47:51,359 --> 01:47:49,030
and I try to update it when I really

2242
01:47:53,370 --> 01:47:51,369
know for sure I will go back and I will

2243
01:47:55,469 --> 01:47:53,380
update that story for people so there's

2244
01:47:58,290 --> 01:47:55,479
that record doesn't just go away but we

2245
01:48:00,659 --> 01:47:58,300
can learn from it all right now so

2246
01:48:04,259 --> 01:48:00,669
explain how it happens when someone

2247
01:48:06,060 --> 01:48:04,269
actually directly reports UFO to you

2248
01:48:09,989 --> 01:48:06,070
instead of one of the sites huh how do

2249
01:48:14,399 --> 01:48:09,999
you handle that yes so it just really

2250
01:48:16,649 --> 01:48:14,409
depends on the case so I like to you

2251
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:16,659
know get what information I can from the

2252
01:48:21,929 --> 01:48:19,360
witness whatever details I can I really

2253
01:48:24,389 --> 01:48:21,939
like to get it to the community so I

2254
01:48:25,889 --> 01:48:24,399
will report on old cases and I you know

2255
01:48:28,379 --> 01:48:25,899
I have articles up about the cash

2256
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:28,389
Landrum incident and everything my

2257
01:48:33,330 --> 01:48:30,610
approach and I'm just gonna hold this

2258
01:48:35,069 --> 01:48:33,340
this earphone for this year I'm watching

2259
01:48:36,270 --> 01:48:35,079
a YouTube and get see how awkward I look

2260
01:48:41,219 --> 01:48:36,280
it's just been falling out of my ears

2261
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:41,229
before I like to get things in front of

2262
01:48:46,350 --> 01:48:43,360
the community as soon as possible

2263
01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:46,360
because that's been the most beneficial

2264
01:48:52,199 --> 01:48:49,689
is when I can trigger other witnesses to

2265
01:48:55,259 --> 01:48:52,209
say they saw this or they have video too

2266
01:48:57,989 --> 01:48:55,269
or they have photos too because then we

2267
01:49:00,250 --> 01:48:57,999
can add to the case I think if you miss

2268
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:00,260
that window when these incidences

2269
01:49:04,779 --> 01:49:02,570
really happening and so that's really

2270
01:49:07,660 --> 01:49:04,789
been my approaches I'm a quick writer

2271
01:49:10,209 --> 01:49:07,670
quick reporter investigator so I've

2272
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:10,219
tried to do a good job at documenting

2273
01:49:15,009 --> 01:49:13,130
really as many of the quality cases I

2274
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:15,019
can whether they come in to me directly

2275
01:49:19,299 --> 01:49:18,050
or elsewhere so that other investigators

2276
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:19,309
sometimes like we talked about the out

2277
01:49:22,509 --> 01:49:20,090
there Channel

2278
01:49:24,970 --> 01:49:22,519
super helpful Paul's real helpful I

2279
01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:24,980
consider him it's almost like should I

2280
01:49:30,009 --> 01:49:28,070
pay you Paul because almost feel like

2281
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:30,019
you're a team member here the community

2282
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,960
I rely on the actual people in Texas to

2283
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,400
tell me what's up I don't know what they

2284
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:36,800
saw even if you send me a video of what

2285
01:49:41,740 --> 01:49:39,710
you saw how many how much zoom up I can

2286
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:41,750
take a screen shot I can zoom in on that

2287
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,570
blurry blob forever and come up with

2288
01:49:48,879 --> 01:49:46,880
whatever conclusions but ultimately the

2289
01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:48,889
people in Texas that are looking up at

2290
01:49:54,279 --> 01:49:51,230
the sky and seeing things are the ones

2291
01:49:57,879 --> 01:49:54,289
that know what's up and so I just I just

2292
01:50:00,100 --> 01:49:57,889
look to them now when you when you're

2293
01:50:04,419 --> 01:50:00,110
taking these reports in do people

2294
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:04,429
generally want to stay anonymous yes so

2295
01:50:10,540 --> 01:50:07,570
that's that would be the most common

2296
01:50:12,580 --> 01:50:10,550
preference and that most people I don't

2297
01:50:14,649 --> 01:50:12,590
think actually enjoy talking about their

2298
01:50:17,649 --> 01:50:14,659
sighting they don't really want to they

2299
01:50:19,180 --> 01:50:17,659
often won't get back to me even if I

2300
01:50:21,310 --> 01:50:19,190
have questions or things and it's not

2301
01:50:23,919 --> 01:50:21,320
like they're sending me in a CGI video

2302
01:50:25,629 --> 01:50:23,929
with some elaborate crazy story

2303
01:50:28,509 --> 01:50:25,639
sometimes it's a very subtle thing

2304
01:50:30,669 --> 01:50:28,519
really at least yeah externally looking

2305
01:50:34,209 --> 01:50:30,679
at but they're prayed and embarrassed to

2306
01:50:36,430 --> 01:50:34,219
share it but they feel some duty yes of

2307
01:50:39,129 --> 01:50:36,440
scientific duty maybe to help document

2308
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:39,139
especially if I find what will prompt

2309
01:50:43,029 --> 01:50:40,610
people a lot and this is why I go

2310
01:50:44,620 --> 01:50:43,039
getting things out there is that if I

2311
01:50:46,540 --> 01:50:44,630
can report on something that somebody

2312
01:50:49,180 --> 01:50:46,550
saw before maybe they didn't want to

2313
01:50:50,919 --> 01:50:49,190
share it now suddenly they're commenting

2314
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:50,929
and they're sending in a report and

2315
01:50:56,649 --> 01:50:53,360
they're like I you know I saw something

2316
01:50:59,080 --> 01:50:56,659
like this another year maybe it'll come

2317
01:51:02,049 --> 01:50:59,090
in and tell me and I would find for the

2318
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:02,059
most most part people don't want

2319
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:03,530
attention at all

2320
01:51:08,109 --> 01:51:05,840
yeah from these things I kind of took

2321
01:51:11,819 --> 01:51:08,119
that in mind when I actually have up on

2322
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,829
my website podcast UFO calm I have a

2323
01:51:16,699 --> 01:51:13,679
anonymous forum that

2324
01:51:19,489 --> 01:51:16,709
someone can fill out for a sighting that

2325
01:51:20,810 --> 01:51:19,499
they had because some people just they

2326
01:51:23,209 --> 01:51:20,820
don't want to really they want to talk

2327
01:51:25,459 --> 01:51:23,219
about it but not even go to a Reporting

2328
01:51:27,259 --> 01:51:25,469
Center so I have that available and

2329
01:51:30,290 --> 01:51:27,269
actually do have a number of cases up

2330
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:30,300
there one's very interesting recently of

2331
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:33,360
a video up there's kind of a really

2332
01:51:41,390 --> 01:51:38,159
crazy looking video so yeah I get that I

2333
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,400
understand but I think you know I think

2334
01:51:45,979 --> 01:51:43,920
that may change I think it's sort of

2335
01:51:48,500 --> 01:51:45,989
changing where people don't feel so

2336
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:48,510
worried about it I'm not so worried

2337
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:51,449
anymore when I started the show six

2338
01:51:57,770 --> 01:51:55,679
years ago I was seven years ago I was

2339
01:51:59,719 --> 01:51:57,780
much more concerned about people finding

2340
01:52:01,729 --> 01:51:59,729
out that I did to show in UFOs than I am

2341
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,739
now at right now I don't really care

2342
01:52:06,649 --> 01:52:03,360
that much I'm not really too worried

2343
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:06,659
about it in my professional life if

2344
01:52:11,660 --> 01:52:09,570
someone finds out they find out actually

2345
01:52:14,209 --> 01:52:11,670
I'm going to do a little shout out to

2346
01:52:18,140 --> 01:52:14,219
Dean if you're listening

2347
01:52:21,049 --> 01:52:18,150
Dean is someone that I sold a bunch of

2348
01:52:23,029 --> 01:52:21,059
antiques for a number of years ago we

2349
01:52:25,339 --> 01:52:23,039
found my website and he's into the UFO

2350
01:52:30,469 --> 01:52:25,349
topic so how you doing Dean hope you're

2351
01:52:34,879 --> 01:52:30,479
listening so we have we have about six

2352
01:52:36,199 --> 01:52:34,889
more minutes so I guess I'll ask you if

2353
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:36,209
there are any other cases that come to

2354
01:52:41,239 --> 01:52:38,159
mind that you can think of that you

2355
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:41,249
found that we're pretty fascinating and

2356
01:52:45,379 --> 01:52:43,380
it could be a I don't care if it's what

2357
01:52:48,949 --> 01:52:45,389
people are claiming abduction experience

2358
01:52:50,330 --> 01:52:48,959
or whatever well we could talk about is

2359
01:52:54,049 --> 01:52:50,340
we didn't really touch on that much

2360
01:52:56,540 --> 01:52:54,059
people you know abduction experiences so

2361
01:52:58,669 --> 01:52:56,550
what I have seen just in my experience

2362
01:53:01,129 --> 01:52:58,679
in Texas and what I feel did from

2363
01:53:03,890 --> 01:53:01,139
witnesses is that when people do

2364
01:53:07,390 --> 01:53:03,900
experience let's say that the typical

2365
01:53:10,129 --> 01:53:07,400
gray alien which is a common common

2366
01:53:12,649 --> 01:53:10,139
apparition or visitation however you

2367
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:12,659
want to see it it is often in a

2368
01:53:17,089 --> 01:53:15,510
dreamlike state or while sleeping and

2369
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:17,099
the witness will often even acknowledge

2370
01:53:22,609 --> 01:53:19,530
that but there seems to be something

2371
01:53:25,969 --> 01:53:22,619
it's different than a dream though maybe

2372
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:25,979
more like a lucid dream it's real to

2373
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:26,719
them

2374
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:30,170
and so that is the pattern with those

2375
01:53:35,470 --> 01:53:33,110
cases and like I said I'll it seems that

2376
01:53:37,900 --> 01:53:35,480
there I would like to go back them I'm

2377
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:37,910
working on how to categories a lot of

2378
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:39,770
the cases on the site to draw better

2379
01:53:45,310 --> 01:53:42,650
conclusions from but there seem to be

2380
01:53:46,959 --> 01:53:45,320
these waves of these if they're dreams

2381
01:53:49,660 --> 01:53:46,969
then people are dreaming them around the

2382
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:49,670
same time without knowing hmm so that's

2383
01:53:58,180 --> 01:53:54,650
super fascinating to me if there are

2384
01:54:02,590 --> 01:53:58,190
aliens out there who's to say they can't

2385
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:02,600
induce sleep paralysis or who's to say

2386
01:54:08,410 --> 01:54:06,650
they couldn't affect dreams so I I've

2387
01:54:11,709 --> 01:54:08,420
definitely been following along with

2388
01:54:14,050 --> 01:54:11,719
that theory that these are somehow

2389
01:54:16,510 --> 01:54:14,060
induced these dreams or these

2390
01:54:21,939 --> 01:54:16,520
experiences there are theories from

2391
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:21,949
skeptics that government has faked alien

2392
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abductions don't really know that I've

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let Michael horn has hinted at that

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before I don't I don't know that I

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believe that to be true so so that's

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really what I've seen are really these

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dreamlike encounters of the typical gray

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alien don't really see reports of people

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seeing reptilians there was a report of

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a praying mantis alien that hit MUFON

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that I had some difficulty very verify

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and I know people have talked about the

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pray large praying mantis is so there's

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quite a variety out there but I would

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definitely see that grey alien just

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exactly what everybody's picturing in

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their mind it's around to stay

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apparently I mean it's definitely

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visiting us you know it's only in our

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dreams

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certainly a lot of people commenting

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about it the one sets up the abduction

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encounters in broad daylight are the

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ones that are I find intriguing

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you know when it's when it couldn't be

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sleep paralysis and they're you know I

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still I still am a little bit on the

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fence about a lot of that stuff I don't

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really I don't really get a lot of it

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but like you said I mean

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I have to have an open mind I mean if I

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think something's visiting us wherever

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it's coming from I have to have an open

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mind that they wouldn't come just to

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observe maybe they're doing other things

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I don't know anything's possible I guess

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there appears to be people who

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experience these things regularly yeah

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and I don't I believe them just cuz I

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don't experience it doesn't mean that

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they're not and so I think there's part

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of that I wonder is there a genetic

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aspect of me this isn't happening I know

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people love to talk about that I don't

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think I'm asking for these experiences

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tell you that I want to know about them

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but I'm not inviting or I don't get

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excited about the idea of hopping onto a

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UFO whenever I see a meme saying take me

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take me abduct me I say stay here like

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this is a good you know you know what's

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up here you need you're used to being on

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earth so that could be part of why I

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01:56:41,590 --> 01:56:38,300
don't have those experiences it's

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01:56:43,780 --> 01:56:41,600
something I think about but there are

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people and people are have different

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01:56:50,410 --> 01:56:46,850
some people have scary experiences yeah

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01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:50,420
I don't like this some people have good

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01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:54,320
experiences I know I know I tend to

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01:56:58,600 --> 01:56:56,330
believe them for what they are

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01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:58,610
I've said it a number of times on this

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show that if something like that was

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happening to me I don't know how how

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people can function normal in life yeah

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01:57:10,150 --> 01:57:08,660
with that in their background you know

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01:57:11,860 --> 01:57:10,160
it's crazy stuff think you would see

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01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:11,870
everything differently after that I

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01:57:15,940 --> 01:57:14,090
would think so well I think we're at the

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end of our show you want to give out

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01:57:22,570 --> 01:57:17,840
your website one more time and all your

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01:57:24,910 --> 01:57:22,580
other stuff yeah taxes UFOs calm or

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01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:24,920
Texas UFO sightings can't go wrong and

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01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:27,170
then all the links are there to Facebook

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01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:29,090
Twitter and Instagram update the site

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every single day weekly videos on

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YouTube and then the weird UFO show

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working on that next episode coming out

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this week stay tuned and that was a

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blast

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so thank you all right thanks Robin yes

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thanks so much

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all right you take care mm-hmm

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bye bye all right everyone so that is

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that's it for the show

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I want to thank you so much for watching

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or listening

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01:57:58,820 --> 01:57:56,250
if you're supporting the show thanks

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01:58:01,040 --> 01:57:58,830
very much for that as well

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01:58:03,290 --> 01:58:01,050
our guest next week will be Preston

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Tennant he's going to be talking about I

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think it's us OS in the Catalina around

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Catalina California so he's always a fun

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01:58:17,750 --> 01:58:14,100
guest to have on again I want to thank

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01:58:20,930 --> 01:58:17,760
everyone that supports the show and and

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01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:20,940
we'll be back as usual next week I am

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01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:23,490
considering moving the time to this show

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I wanted to know people that are

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listening live if that would make any

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01:58:32,180 --> 01:58:28,530
difference if I have the show a little

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01:58:33,530 --> 01:58:32,190
bit earlier and a very good point a

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number of people in Europe said they

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would love to watch live so if I made it

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a little earlier they would anyway I

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want to thank the people to help out

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01:58:44,750 --> 01:58:41,840
with the show our guests of course

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Jane Kyle I also want to thank Alejandro

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01:58:50,270 --> 01:58:48,510
Rojas with the UFO updates and Evan for

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01:58:53,210 --> 01:58:50,280
doing the work in the background here on

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YouTube and Peggy for managing the

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Facebook page alright everyone so thanks

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so much we'll see you next week and

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remember to keep your eyes to the sky